Need advise on sold dead sperm. - Page 4

The time lines does not match.  Are you sure you know who your firing at? 
You know very well the semen was not used.  You lied and did not provide a negative brucellosis test. You were informed it was not viable.  Several times.  I offered the vet reports and you screamed that Straws to Paws should have never released that information to me.  But remember you had me pay them up front, I was the customer.  They had my CC #'s and my vets shipping address before you even arrived, late I may add.

I was not there for the collection all I have is the report and the word of one of the countries best repro clinics.  I have never used your dogs dead semen.  It would have been a waist of more money to pay to have non viable semen AI'd.  I think my vet would have laughed me out of the office.  As far as my bitch goes she has had 11 pups from A I, 8 pups from Live breeding, 6 pups from live breeding and is confirmed bred again. She is a healthy good mom.  Funny our contract is not close to this garbage.  Neither is your web site At Stud "T" Carol with no addition charge for shipping chilled semen. 

All I want is my stud fee back.  You don't return calls, don't return emails. You had a certified letter sent to me stating you were appalled that I wanted my stud fee return.  You said in it, that this was the risk of breeding dogs. The owner of the stud has an obligation to provide usable semen or its misrepresentation.  I still stand by it, it is unethical to represent semen that does not chill and ship well as a breeding.  I too have talked with breeders and they agree with me.  I tried to cut you slack because of all the drama you spin.  But enough is enough you have time for these ridiculous postings, fund raisers, and traveling but not to make good on a deal.  I am sure you never thought I would expose you.  I am just a small nobody, but I work and I serve and I do not like being ripped off!!!!!   Oh yeah real funny with the banjos.  You keep getting uglier.

I love this place the support is amazing.  Thanks again everyone.

I never screamed. Period.
This is the first time I have heard from you since last March.

Live sperm was shipped from an AKC-recommended repro specialist, to your regular vet, the first time, in January 2007.
A Repro Vet does not ship dead semen.

Over two years later I agreed to take my aging dog to another nationally recognized specialist, clear over in NJ,  as a courtesy.
TWO Repro Vets do not ship dead semen.

You were welcome to bring or send the female for a live repeat breeding during that interim. That offer is STILL GOOD, even thought the contract agreement expired in Jan. 2008.

The accusation that I have or would intentionally cause the dog who sleeps on my bed every night, or ANY dog PAIN, for monetary gain? is about as low a blow as you could land.
Nice timing, too!
I find that offensive.

One of these days I will try to update my website. Till then I will just continue to decline if anyone asks me to ship them T's semen, as I have done since last February.


I am SO abused... Can you pass me the TV remote?

Scream, yell, tomato, tamoto.  I guess all the time you spend on this site takes away from your time to advertise honestly.

  I never said they sent dead semen.  I said I received dead semen.  Both vets here were and are Certified Repro vets.  The first vet AI the same dog that produced 11 pups.  You on the other hand later told me you had never shipped semen.  Anyone who advertises to sell chilled semen should now not all dogs semen chills and ships well.  Some studs sperm don't even survive the spinning out for preparation to ship.  These are your risks, your responsibilities, and your liabilities.  I should not have to bear the burden of trial and error for your profit.

Again your time line is odd.  But yes out of courtesy I did give you time to relocate or change your living arrangements.  I did travel 12 hours to meet you at NASS to see if we could agree with an option.  You offered one of T's female pups that you had entered into NASS in trade for the stud fee plus that much again in cash.  I was to get her at a reduced price as you would apply my stud fee to the price.  Thank god for honest people.  I was later approached by a breeder who overheard our conversation and she told me I was being ripped off.  She advised me to check out your web site.  You had the dog for sell for less than my stud fee.  There was not discount, you thought you could double your money on this bad semen shipping deal.  Not only was she right about you but your pup did awful.  You had to carry her to the ring and people were laughing. 

I am tired of the drama, the games and the excuses.  I want my stud fee back.

Just a story from old experiences "live and learn the hard way" - I chose a stud dog "afar" who was a son of a very famous stud dog I had used for my first litter with my foundation female (super excellent female).  I paid the stud fee, shipped the female (at that time it was $300/per direction for shipping, nowadays it is almost twice that much) - and female was bred naturally, but came up empty.  Stud owner honored the return female guarantee for same stud fee - so I shipped the daughter of the female to same stud dog - same shipping costs, no additional stud fee - and she also came up empty.  So then I was out $600 stud fee plus $1200 shipping plus $$$$$$ (hundreds) for vet progesterone, cultures, brucillosis etc for both females.  Plus out the two missed litters.  So $2000 + and nothing to show for it.  I planned on trying one more time with the younger female, but stud dog owner said "no, two breedings and that's it".  The stud fee, in the stud owners' opinion, paid for the breeding.  The dogs were bred, she took the time to do the breedings, keep my females boarded, pickup/drop off at the airport, etc - that was the stud fee, puppies or not.  The shipping fees were not the responsibility of the stud owner..
Anyway I was quite upset about that - mucho money lost and no puppies - all down the drain.  I later found out that many females (most?  all?) bred to this male were coming up empty.   I did "bitch" to the stud owner a bit but did not convince her to return my stud fee.  It was, in the end, minimal compared to the shipping monies lost.  And in the end, I came away with a learning experience about how to be a stud dog owner - and my current policies reflect that experience clearly. 
I guarantee live puppies - no return stud fee until there is at least one live healthy puppy on the ground to show for it.  Shipping/vet/etc fees are the responsibility of the female's owner.  I do not charge for boarding females here, and I always work with the female's owner in figuring out the best way to get her rebred in case she comes up empty. 

Sometimes it's just live and learn the hard way.

molly

Thanks for reminding me about another attempt I made to bend over backwards to make you happy.
That pup, by T out of Gabi, www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/progeny/332534.html in the 3-6 mos class, was car sick. A large adult male sprang out of nowhere and attacked her on our way to the ring  and the little gal still went out in the ring and showed like a trooper. You should have taken her when I offered her to you.  She is drop-dead beautiful, dark sable with a big gait, just like her Daddy, almost ready for her SchH 1. Her mother is one of the best working line producers alive in the US today.
Sold for the price of her Daddy's stud fee you say?
You're kidding. Right? You ought to go back and slap the "honest breeder" who steered you away from that pup. 
She does have a half sister for sale in Germany. I'm sure $8-10K would buy her, (+ shipping of course) in case you are interested in breeding titled dogs in future.

As far as my bitch goes she has had 11 pups from A I, 8 pups from Live breeding, 6 pups from live breeding and is confirmed bred again.

A lot of people on this board won't even consider letting their stud dogs service an untitled female. You told me you were breeding this one litter because you wanted a female pup out of this special female to keep, because she was getting on in years and you didn't have anything out of her, so I made an exception for you. You swore you weren't a professional breeder.
So what's with all the other litters? Didn't you see a pup you liked out of the other 25?

Yeah. I'm being a little nasty here, uncharacteristic for me, I know. I'm still angry about being accused of putting my beloved dog through pain, for any reason, on a public forum. How dare you! You are assaulting my character and my ethics at a time when I am most vulnerable to attack, by design, no doubt. As much as I and so many of my customers and life-time friends are on this board, for years and years now, if I had been doing bad business everybody would have heard about it long, long since.

Can't please everybody.

I am sure she is a wonderful dog.  But don't forget I was at that show too.  Nobody recalls it like you.  They don't let sick dogs in the ring and if a dog attact her that big dog would have been removed from competition.  Did you get bit because you carried her from the trailer to the ring, remember.  The point is you tried to high jack me for more $ than she was advertised for on your website.

I would not be so sure that people aren't on to you.  The breeder that told me to check out your web site, to verify that this same pup was for sell at  half the price you had offered it to me.  This kind breeder is very well acquainted with you.    

I never said that I did not have experience breeding and I never said I was breeding my old girl.  I told you I had a sable that was my heart and sole and she was getting on in years.  I told you the breeding was with her daughter and yes I was hoping for a sable female to replace Hanna.   I sent you a copy of breeding bitches papers. Why would anyone breed their old bitch????   Man you are really messed up.  This muddy mess your making is not looking good for you.  Anyone who breeds should have the basics down. Tested good shipping semen, brucellosis Negative  test, and the funds to back it up.

  As far as not breeding to bitches without titles. LOL  I have never had a problem breeding SCH III or VA dogs as far as that goes.  And yes this girl is not titled.  But some of her pups are and most of her siblings, aunts, uncles and sire are.   Don't even act like this was a pitty breeding.  Again that seems to be your M O.

All you saw was $$$$$  Like I keep saying Shelley  these are your risks, your responsibilities, and your liabilities.   I should not have to bear the burden of trial and error for your profit.  You can only legally sale a product as it is stated.  It is not fair to advertise no extra cost for shipping of chilled semen and then come up with costs.  The product has to be what is represented, nobody buys unusable semen for breeding.

I have said all along I like  T, other wise I would have never gone through this much trouble.  Its your ethics that I have a problem with. Wanta talk about the old days?????

I have NO clue what the true story is here, or whose version is closer to reality. What I do know, Good Life, is that you truly played this thread WELL! I must give you credit and accord you your "props." You started with a procative subject-line. You then dropped crumbs and bits, so that multiple individuals insisted on you naming the stud owner. Then, with perfect timing, you dropped the bomb. Kudos. ¶Now, we have the proverbial "she said/she said." SSDD. Haven't you made your point that you feel Shelley Strohl has done ya wrong? ¶ Shelley, obviously, has a point about the timing of this "revelation"- it does seem to be striking when she is already down. So, unless actual documentation is posted, what is the point in continuing this thread? Regarding the "old days"...uh-oh.

Uh...those actually were not rhetorical questions. :-)

Make of it what you want Mystere.  I asked for advise and have received lots of good suggestions and ideas.  As far as my timing goes.  I gave time because she said she was down and out.  I was understanding and consoling.  But it kept going and going and going.  Always some drama and lots of travel.  And now it appears I am questioned about the timing.  When do you think she will make good on this?  When will I get the email or PM saying I can make this right?  At some point we are only as good as OUR own actions

What makes you think I don't have a need and I am not down and out.  I repeat ,  these are her risks, her responsibilities, and her liabilities. I should not have to bear the burden of trial and error for her profit.  If you are selling Semen for shipping you best be sure it is of quality to ship.  Not all semen ships well.  Do you buy sour milk?  What if it was fresh when it left the dairy but went bad before it hit the grocery cooler.  Do you gladly pay for it because hey these things happen.  Gosh I guess with that standard of ethics our entire world would be different.  No wonder some peoples lives are so hard.

You criticize me and say  that I Dropped the Bomb because people wanted to know who this was and yet you request more info. Which is it?   It hardly matters, this is not a trial, so your right or wrong is irrelevant.