GSD IMPROVEMENT PLAN (GSDIP) UK-REPORT - Page 4

Mackenzie

In this instance my reference to the Breeding of a Quality Litter was based purely on the fact  BOTH PARENTS would have PASSED A Breed Coucil SURVEY (therefore suitable for Breeding) as to pass a BC Survey takes it would have to have passed certain health checks,, i.e Sound in Hips, Character etc and with Survey reference covering other health checks such as Elbow scoring, DNA, Line Breeding (so as not to be too close) etc.

These are the MAIN, indeed the ONLY considerations of the PET OWNER, therefore I DO NOT UNDERSTAND the relevance of you asking the question as to when the pups in the litter to be assessed??? Like everything else, providing their owners (whoever they may be) wanted to have them assessed suitable for breeding, they too would have to undergo a BC Survey when they too reached an age old enough to be Surveyed (i.e from 18+ months).

I know you say you did not intend your post to be negative, but it did appear to be placing obstacles where there otherwise were none.

As for being a member of a breed club in order to get a BC Survey done, the practice of belonging to a Breed club for anyone who exhibits or Breeds should be actively encouraged , you admit you are a member of the SV, well the BC constitution does not allow for Individual Membership, so you can ONLY INADVERTENTLY become a MEMBER OF THE BREED COUNCIL by becoming a MEMBER OF A BREED CLUB that is itself A MEMBER OF THE BREED COUNCIL.

ONLY , Breed Council Clubs can hold Surveys, therefore in order to take part in a BC Survey a stipulation should be made that the owner should be a Fully Paid up Member of a Breed Club, that is a member of ANY Breed Council Club, not necessarily the Club Holding the Survey you are about to attend.

Regards
Sue B

Thank you Sue you but it much better than I did in my last post,
Regarding being a club member I too think  breeders should be a member a at least one club, But if I recall when I had my first show female surveyed I was not a member of any club
PS that was many years ago.

Hi Myfanwy
You probably remember correctly, in fact the same still exists now, in that you do not have to be a member of a Breed Club in order to have your dog surveyed. However, I feel that in order for this New Initiative to work, one of the first requirements for submitting your dog into a Survey IS THAT THE OWNER SHOULD BE A MEMBER OF A BREED CLUB that in turn is an Affiliated MEMBER OF THE GSD BREED COUNCIL.  Afterall, If you are going to have YOUR DOG AND POSSIBLY YOUR LITTER advertised on the BREED COUNCIL WEBSITE, then the least you should be IS A FULLY PAID UP MEMBER OF A BREED COUNCIL (member) CLUB.  I believe that is at the very least the beginning of where a Breeders  ACCOUNTABILITY should start.

How many of you agree? Afterall, it doesnt cost a fortune to become a member of a Breed Club and some Breed Clubs, my own West Yks for example, offer cheaper entry fee's to members which can mean anyone with two dogs entered at both of our two shows (in a year) will actually SAVE MONEY.

I hope this thread takes on a life of its own by generating replies from people saying what (if anything) they are in agreement with out of the idea;s made above. This then could be used as a common consensus of opinion which in turn can hopefully be taken forward to the Breed Council Meeting and acted upon.

Thank you to all those who have pledged their financial support for this project, with myself, Paulie, David , Missbeeb, Jimh and Funky Liz, so we already have a pledge of £120 , see how it soon mounts up and how quickly we could be making great leaps forward to advancing our Breed and its BC Health Initiative Profile to the General Public!!.

Picking up on the very important point David Payne quite poniently and rightly made above (for which I very much thank him) we will still be using the Kennel Club to register our Puppies, we just make a GREAT BIG noise about the FACT that ,
BREED COUNCIL ACCREDITED GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS HAVE UNDERGONE MANDATORY HEALTH CHECKS BEFORE BEING BRED FROM !!!!   NOW THAT BEATS ANYTHING THE KENNEL CLUB HAVE TO OFFER HANDS DOWN.

Best Regards
Sue
 

HI Sue,
You are quite right, I belive ALL Exhibitors/Breeders Should be a member of a breed club, I am sure we all use them training are dogs, Also just in case you missed it on a previous post I am also pledging £20 to the project.

Regards Bernard (Brenberry)

Thank you Bernard, I had missed it earlier, my apologies, UPDATE thats now £140 pledged towards Breed Advancement and the idea on this thread has so far existed for less than 24hrs.
 Keep them coming everyone and lets ALL WORK TOWARDS A BETTER FUTURE FOR OUR BREED.

Bestest Regards
Sue

Hello Sue

Thank you for clarifying what you meant in your original post.   I am not trying to put obstacles in the way but I read your original post as meaning as you said "the focus should be on the breed worth and quality of each individual litter" and, therefore, on that basis my question was valid.  I now understand you to say that to satisfy the quality litter qualification it is only necessary for both parents to be surveyed together with the reasons that you have stated rather than the litter itself.

With regard to Club membership, I was a member of the SV when I was active, however, I am no longer a member.

You mentioned in your post that the BC database should list dogs "Fit for Purpose".  Can you help  me here please and explain what constitutes "fit for purpose" and how this is determined.  Bearing in mind that we have a working breed then presumably there is some criteria as to workability.  Perhaps you would like to comment on my comments on this subject.

I have recently been offered a 3 year old female by a VA male, she is Sch h3 with Körung, Prüfung and show results, with a view to show her in the UK.  Presumably, she would have to satisfy other criteria to compete and comply with further health checks.

kind regards

Mackenzie

 

Susie, as you know i am judging at the GSDL Tony Howson memorial show, and with the consent of the committee, and also the exhibitors, i will donate a decent raffle prize, with the proceeds to go toward any scheme that may be in the pipeline, i am sure Tony's family would approve,  i know for certain that he would.

   Regards Paul.

Thats great Paul. I am certain Tony would agree in fact I can see him heading for the Heavenly Bar now to celebrate your offer. 
 
 MacKenzie, glad my last post cleared up your query. As for your Sch3 , korung female having to satisfy other criteria to compete and comply with further health checks , actually No she wouldnt. although I do think that in order to go onto our BC Website List of Surveyed dogs she should be submitted into a BC Survey but obviously with the qualifications she had to have in order to pass her Korung the BC Survey would just be a matter of course.

We had a BC Survey at our Breed Open show in March in which I submitted my German imported Sch1, Kkl1 female, because I firmly believe that now she lives in the UK she should go through our BC Survey, even though some may say it is not as important as is a German Korung, I say to us in the UK it is the Best Health / Quality assessment we have and therefore should be supported, besides HER PROGENY ARE BORN HERE and the ONLY ASSESSMENT most of them are ever likely to get is A BRITISH BREED COUNCIL SURVEY, therefore if only for CONTINUITY it is GOOD and only right that their dam who now resides here in the UK was also SURVEYED AND ASSESSED HERE IN THE UK.

Regards
Sue