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by gck on 03 April 2009 - 10:04

Precisely!

by Done that Been there on 03 April 2009 - 14:04

gck, we could argue and analyze the criteria endlessly but we know who they are.

by Mystere on 03 April 2009 - 17:04

Done That,

She knows, too, as does everyone else. That is what I meant by noise signifying nothing.

by gck on 04 April 2009 - 03:04

"Noise signifying nothing." People who rant without knowing whereof they speak. Thus, my comment, "Precisely!"

"Do your Research." Isn't that the current mantra? Learn to spot pseudo demagoguery. Does Nia really know all?

To Done that Been there, it might be interesting to do some serious fact checking about who has actually "Been there, done that"--as well as to define your terms--before pontificating publicly. Since you were especially vociferous about the evils of the "big" kennels, clearly you have internalized your own definitions and prejudices. Perhaps you might give some thought, privately, to the questions posed in my previous post?

by Mystere on 04 April 2009 - 05:04

Oh, get off it, Gayle! The subject was the breeders, whether called major, big or whatever, and the clear fact of whether they do or do not contribute to the Sieger Show trophies. Whether they have or not IS CLEAR FOR EVERYONE TO SEE ON THE WEBSITE. Any idiot can see it, without the need to "define terms." Your clear attempt to obfuscate is dishonest, and speaks volumes. Oh, yes, and do we see YOUR name among the trophy contributions? But, no doubt that is the reason for your usual fear-biter defensiveness on this thread. You outted yourself. Now, shut up, and maybe people would not have noticed that Gayle Kirkwood and Kichenwald kennels (sp) were among the MIAs on the contributors list. LOL

by Baldursmom on 04 April 2009 - 10:04

Naive or having principles for myself? A little of both I believe. My resonsibility is to myself and what I can do to support my organizations.   I cannot "enforce" this philosophy on others any more than I can make the world pick up after their dogs. I can engourage people and kennels to set an example of supporting the organization through trophy donations and ads, but it is up to them and their organization.

I am not naive enough to think that pointing out who has and has not sponsored a trophy will make a difference other than to unfairly bash the large kennels on a public forum when one doesn't know know the whole equation. Remember, when one points a finger, there are four others pointing right back at you. This should remind people to pay attention to their own actions and not those of others.

The catalog ads do so much more than advertise the kennels. they finacne the publishing of the catalog and keep those cost lower for ALL of us and the sales offset the cost of the field and the multitude of other expenses for the show. Support of the catalog is as important as supporting the trophies.   They are a much larger investment than a trophy donation and a wise choice for all involved. Really a better win-win situation for USA and the large kennels than a trophy donation. In a marketing and fund raising effort, the win-win agreement that makes more money for all involved is the better choice. Doing both trophy donations and catalog ads are within the budget of some, not others. It would be stupid and closed minded to insist they have to do both.

This is reality in a capilatist world , not a niave opinion of the large breeders.

by Mystere on 04 April 2009 - 14:04

Look, YOU were the one whining for $2000 in trophy donations, because the NASS is the choice of support by the show crowd. NOW, it's they help more, because they support the catalogue (more ads), which is more important. Fine. I see the logic and sense in that. I don't see why the whining in the first place, though, if catalogue ads are more important and valued. :-) Whichever... I've already chosen the venues for my support and I don't expect to see those events supported by the show crowd. I would simply expect the show crowd to be supportive of their chosen venue, as well. True, I have rarely bought catalogue ads. I have no puppies or stud service to sell, after all. :-) But, suppose I could place simply "Good Luck" ads, if in fact catalogue sales are such impotant revenues to the host. I'll have to check with clubs that hosted performance events to find out whether that revenue is as critical to the performance events as you've explained it is to the shows. Thanks for the information and enlightenment. Baldursmom, I realize that you are walking a tightrope and working your butt off for this show. I don't mean too cause you any difficulties. Observations (which, recall, were NOT firsted pointed out by moi-même) are not bashing; they are simply observations. Clearly, some are uncomfortable with those observations. Maybe that will prompt them to financial support of the event. Or, it could just lead to more yammering here in an attempt to obfuscate--that won't change the clear and cogent observations, though. :-)

by Baldursmom on 05 April 2009 - 19:04

Just looking for trophy sponsorship any where I can find it.

by gck on 06 April 2009 - 08:04

To turn the conversation back to its origin, the working class entries are substantial. Congratulations to the show organizers for choosing top quality judges and a centralized, quality venue! Congratulations, too, for addressing weaknesses in the protection phase.

Every entry indicates support for the UScA (especially since there is a mandatory payment for a secondary pedigree registration of questionable value for all dogs 12 months of age and older).

What motivates any participant to contribute financially above and beyond the basic entry level? Perhaps the event organizers might kick this question around privately.

Suffice is to say that, within the UScA, there are currently many specific anti-motivating policies and practices towards breed show participants. Not to mention the perpetual pejorative, ill informed, tongue wagging on the part of some UScA members that surfaces so often in forums like this one.

As a non-profit organization, the UScA exists to serve it entire membership. Perhaps when service to and genuine respect for the breed enthusiasts improves, then so will voluntary contributions. Since proceeds from the Sieger Show also significantly underwrite the finances for the UScA's purely sporting events, the breed enthusiasts are a powerful constituency for the fiscal well-being of the entire organization.

To bring the focus once again to the entries and the dogs themselves, who are your favorites? Any fan clubs? Who are the up-and-comers? Who do you like and why? Junior handlers to watch? Feedback about the helpers from those lucky enough to work with them in advance? Are either "lefties"? What specific equipment will they use? Speculation about weather conditions? Vendor favorites? What do you think about the catalogue policy? Is the hotel bar a good one? Best steakhouse in the area? How large will the rings be? Places for doublers to hide? So many positive, fun things to discuss...

Gayle Kirkwood

by jettasmom on 06 April 2009 - 10:04

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/508262.html

Here is my favorite and look forward to watching him at the show. He has it all, excellent temperment, excellent work ethic and excellent structure.

Denise

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