Picture taking at Events - discussion - Page 4

I have no clue what went on at the event that brought on this subject so my comments are in no way a reference to that event.  I am like Molly.  My camera goes where I go and I take photos for the sheer pleasure it gives me and the handler/owners of the dogs I photograph (I do not charge).  If it is posted that photography/videography is not permitted unless permission is granted I respect that.  However, I have yet to see that at any events that I have been to lately but it might just be the area I live in.  I agree also that one must be respectful of the competitor and his/her dog.  I never position myself in a place that would potentially affect a dog's performance without permission.

With that said, at my club they love the fact that I will lay in the middle of the field to get a good blind search shot because it proofs the dog to ignore outside factors like photogs in weird places.  For example, I took this shot of the dumbbell retrieve this past weekend:



Needless to say I would not be this close in a trial but it did not hurt to have the dog to work through the distraction ;-)

Maybe in some areas photographs are used for nefarious reasons but where I am from people are happy to have photographs of their dogs performing whether it was a good performance or a not so good performance.  I do SchH with ACDs so needless to say I have learned to chalk up poor performances as learning experiences :-p  I guess I would hope that if a trial does not want photography done at it, they would post it at the site and in the premium.  The norm (at least in my area) is to allow photography so I would never think to ask permission.

Since this is a GSD board, a parting shot from training last weekend ;-)

Hey Psycht, Was that in Bozeman?

Private Property? Yes... Private Event? NO... Not if this is a sanctioned WDA or USCA event.. I know if there is someone you wish to leave an event (mostly personal or dominance issues) than I think the club can ask them to leave. But if they are members in good standing with the org I think the club has to contact the organization with a reason or something..?. ?
I can't remember, + it's really late EST... Maybe someone who knows the rules better can post them for us.. I'm sure not the one to know the rules word for word.



Best Regards,
Dennis Johnson
www.johnsonhaus.com

Nia, nope, this was not at Big Sky.  My club is in Billings :-)

Dennis,
This is where the confusion sets in.

I think there was a similar situation Private/Public in regards to vaccination proofs prior to entering the field.  Cant remember and really dont want to go look at it.

Parementers:
Scanticned event
Trial field is located in the center of private property.

I would interpret this as the trial field would be under the governing body while the property surrounding it would be the owners but im a computer person and not a lawyer so would love to hear from those who do.  As with everything I dont believe there is a clear cut rule/law to cover this.  Maybe it should be brought up at the next meeting.


Chris Orkies
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vom GrimOrkie
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I have an attorney friend that just told me the following basics. If you are in a place, public or private, you can record (video, stills, audio), unless there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. Meaning you could go to a trial and film everything there but you can’t film up ladies dresses or in the bathroom.
These recordings can’t be used for commercial gain without the permission of the person being recorded. There are some fair use and public figure issues that can negate that.
If the promoter, venue or person being recorded asks you to stop you have to stop. It doesn’t matter if the place is public or private. Once again, there public figure issues that can negate that.
The grey area is when does a private person become a public figure? Some people in the sport would have a hard time calling themselves a private person when they do dogsport for a living, sell training videos, etc and promote themselves outside of the trial that you are recording.
My personal feelings are that if the club doesn’t want you to record a trial there is probably some shenanigans going on.

As I mentioned on the previous thread that somehow was deleted (what happened now), I have shot fotos at clubs (local shows and trials) within a 50 miles radius of Nashville, into KY and TN with no issue as well as IN and AL, GA.

No clubs have ever posted "no fotos can be taken" or have ever said anything at the show/trial.    Most of the events were held on private property, but were public events (trials and shows).

Psycht, was that dog at AWMA last fall?  Looking good, great pictures of both.

Dennis, In USA, a club CAN refuse a trial entry from anyone, except in regional or national events. There is no need to get approval from USA officers or anything else. However, anyone can spectate and clubs cannot "ban" individuals from attending a sanctioned trial or show. If, however, the individual becomes disruptive, or hostile, violates rules ( eg.interferring with official photgrapher, alcohol on school premises, etc.) or otherwise engages in objectionable conduct (eg heckling from the sidelines), that person can be ejected from the event. Period. Christopher has accurately honed in on the issues. However, remember that the instances Tina and I referenced were PRIVATE club traininon private property and the offenders used the photos taken w/o permission or knowlwdge for profit. Individuals can also be "public figures" for limited or specific reasons, such as injecting themselves into public controversies. I agree that some of our so-called top competitors are public figures in the sport and for wider purposes. For that matter, Christopher may have made himself a "public figure," due to his postings on this forum. LOL