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by Michele O on 17 March 2009 - 14:03

HI Susan
Yes I know there was a courage test, not sure why they took it out.
Well I found this on one, however, after the third session she had a full grip. and carried.
Didn't say they can't or they wouldn't have multiple titles.
LOL that's quite the attack!!! Congrats!

by countrygsds on 17 March 2009 - 14:03

Hi Michele,

The pic is not of my dog but is Eian & Elexa's mother (Berta vom Quasliner Moor). She is a very intense bitch!

Susan

by Michele O on 17 March 2009 - 15:03

Hi Susan
Definately a wow dog !!!
Thanks for sharing!!!

by DDRshep on 17 March 2009 - 19:03

Herding GSDs actually have the best grips in the GSD world. They have very calm and full grips, no thrashing or chewing. After all, their purpose is to make sheep fat, not to make holes in them. This attribute carries over to police dogs, and why it is desired in schutzhund.

by Sam1427 on 18 March 2009 - 02:03

So you are Aragon's owner, katjo. I admired his pedigree and wished I had room for another dog right now. Good luck with his training. He's beautiful. I'd love to have a Kirschental dog.

I don't know if this is the escape story you are thinking of, Sunsilver but it may be:
http://www.german-shepherdherding.com/manfred-english/index.html
It's about schafermeister Walter Lorenz during WWII and his protege schafermeister Manfred Heyne.

by Sunsilver on 18 March 2009 - 03:03

http://www.german-shepherdherding.com/manfred-english/index.html

YES!! That's the one!

Thank you so much, Sam! Great story!

After some searching I've found the account of Manfred's dog knocking the helper to the ground. Scroll down until you see the picture of the dog doing protection:

http://www.german-shepherdherding.com/herding.htm

by katjo74 on 18 March 2009 - 05:03

Yes, Sam, that's me. Thank you kindly on the compliments. Having Aragon is a dream come true for me. And with Karl now in his early 80's and with some health issues, I feel it is a great priviledge to have gotten one of his Kirschental puppies before he decides to quit breeding.

Yes, herding blood was what drove(pardon the pun) me to pick Zeckie rather than Druxie. lol. A good GSD should be a well-rounded dog indeed. Shouldn't just excel in stacking, or biting. We're nothing fancy by no means, but we love Aragon and give him our best.

by AnjaBlue on 18 March 2009 - 19:03

For anyone who has never seen GSD's herding sheep, Ed Frawley's Leerburg site has some great videos (some have now been burned onto DVD's). I thoroughly recommend the 1990 Bundesleistungshuten - it was won by Karl Fuller, and Manfred Heyne came in 2nd. You can also see all the other competitors, some good some not so good. You get the highlights of each routine, and I have to tell you it is amazing to see Karl's (and Manfred's) dogs working so effortlessly to move 250 - 300 sheep. And to realize that in an exercise which can last for 30 - 45 minutes, Karl's little girl Amie only lost two points.......... her score was 98 out of 100. Awesome!

by Two Moons on 18 March 2009 - 19:03

I was given some links to trainers and breed stock here in the USA but sadly haven't found them, there are some old posts here somewhere. I just got tired of looking thru them all.
I have a Kirschental dog and he is nice. I do believe tho that some of the earlier Kirschental dogs were much better, there was also a post on this subject some time back.
Times change.
I had high hopes of doing herding with my dog but things just haven't panned out , it is a beautiful thing to watch.
Good luck Jill.

by Michele O on 19 March 2009 - 04:03

Two Moons, what lines is your boy out of?
Remember not all GSDs, even K lines, are suitable for herding. still depends on the individual dog.
What I have come to appreciate with these lines is their high intelligence, stamina, easy trainability and temperament.

"quote I do believe tho that some of the earlier Kirschental dogs were much better quote"

Different times, different purposes, but they still do what they did, whether it's herding, SAR, K-9, Therapy, etc depending on each dogs strength and of course imprinting .... they also make an excellent companion and family dog, very important in this suing society

I have produced the above with my K lined dogs. Finding dedicated people who actually want to work them is another story.

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