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by paulie on 17 March 2009 - 12:03
Hi.
I think it's about time to put this one to bed, we all know what happens if you stay in the middle of the road for too long, YOU GET RUN OVER. Drop the Alsatian tag, and then as Susie says, there's no need for the term M.O.T.R..
Regards as always.
Paul.
I think it's about time to put this one to bed, we all know what happens if you stay in the middle of the road for too long, YOU GET RUN OVER. Drop the Alsatian tag, and then as Susie says, there's no need for the term M.O.T.R..
Regards as always.
Paul.
by noddi on 18 March 2009 - 00:03
yes i agree with with all of you.lets get rid of the alsatian appendage.i think that in a few years there will be no middle of the road type as many of these breeders are now using studs from the german side but i still think that a minority will still class themselves as m.o.t.r.type purely because of the way they handle the dogs.i think most gsd.folk theses days do breed the correct type and im sure that if these animals where to be trained and exhibited under foreign judges and they were fit enough they might just surprise alot of people by winning.YES Mr.Payne i have seen the slatehouse gsds.and in fact gary and his wife have admired my animal who in fact was pulled out of the line up by herr.Buss and wa
was asked to come into the middle of the ring at the league spectactular.he was enquiring as to why she was so far done the line..the bitch judge said it was on movement.not fit.my fault there not hers..this bitch did awfully well in 2004 under judges who you will no doubt class as m.o.t.r.and german judges.as a matter of fact some of the champions from the german side have been awarded ccs by m.o.t.r.judges.does this mean they are second class champions.lets all pull together and stop being nasty with regards to the animalsand just maybe things will start to improve.i know a lot of exhibitors who are now coming over and using german animals .lets not put them off by our nasty attitude to one another.
was asked to come into the middle of the ring at the league spectactular.he was enquiring as to why she was so far done the line..the bitch judge said it was on movement.not fit.my fault there not hers..this bitch did awfully well in 2004 under judges who you will no doubt class as m.o.t.r.and german judges.as a matter of fact some of the champions from the german side have been awarded ccs by m.o.t.r.judges.does this mean they are second class champions.lets all pull together and stop being nasty with regards to the animalsand just maybe things will start to improve.i know a lot of exhibitors who are now coming over and using german animals .lets not put them off by our nasty attitude to one another.
by noddi on 18 March 2009 - 00:03
yes i agree with with all of you.lets get rid of the alsatian appendage.i think that in a few years there will be no middle of the road type as many of these breeders are now using studs from the german side but i still think that a minority will still class themselves as m.o.t.r.type purely because of the way they handle the dogs.i think most gsd.folk theses days do breed the correct type and im sure that if these animals where to be trained and exhibited under foreign judges and they were fit enough they might just surprise alot of people by winning.YES Mr.Payne i have seen the slatehouse gsds.and in fact gary and his wife have admired my animal who in fact was pulled out of the line up by herr.Buss and wa
was asked to come into the middle of the ring at the league spectactular.he was enquiring as to why she was so far done the line..the bitch judge said it was on movement.not fit.my fault there not hers..this bitch did awfully well in 2004 under judges who you will no doubt class as m.o.t.r.and german judges.as a matter of fact some of the champions from the german side have been awarded ccs by m.o.t.r.judges.does this mean they are second class champions.lets all pull together and stop being nasty with regards to the animalsand just maybe things will start to improve.i know a lot of exhibitors who are now coming over and using german animals .lets not put them off by our nasty attitude to one another.
was asked to come into the middle of the ring at the league spectactular.he was enquiring as to why she was so far done the line..the bitch judge said it was on movement.not fit.my fault there not hers..this bitch did awfully well in 2004 under judges who you will no doubt class as m.o.t.r.and german judges.as a matter of fact some of the champions from the german side have been awarded ccs by m.o.t.r.judges.does this mean they are second class champions.lets all pull together and stop being nasty with regards to the animalsand just maybe things will start to improve.i know a lot of exhibitors who are now coming over and using german animals .lets not put them off by our nasty attitude to one another.
by noddi on 18 March 2009 - 00:03
yes i agree with with all of you.lets get rid of the alsatian appendage.i think that in a few years there will be no middle of the road type as many of these breeders are now using studs from the german side but i still think that a minority will still class themselves as m.o.t.r.type purely because of the way they handle the dogs.i think most gsd.folk theses days do breed the correct type and im sure that if these animals where to be trained and exhibited under foreign judges and they were fit enough they might just surprise alot of people by winning.YES Mr.Payne i have seen the slatehouse gsds.and in fact gary and his wife have admired my animal who in fact was pulled out of the line up by herr.Buss and wa
was asked to come into the middle of the ring at the league spectactular.he was enquiring as to why she was so far done the line..the bitch judge said it was on movement.not fit.my fault there not hers..this bitch did awfully well in 2004 under judges who you will no doubt class as m.o.t.r.and german judges.as a matter of fact some of the champions from the german side have been awarded ccs by m.o.t.r.judges.does this mean they are second class champions.lets all pull together and stop being nasty with regards to the animalsand just maybe things will start to improve.i know a lot of exhibitors who are now coming over and using german animals .lets not put them off by our nasty attitude to one another.
was asked to come into the middle of the ring at the league spectactular.he was enquiring as to why she was so far done the line..the bitch judge said it was on movement.not fit.my fault there not hers..this bitch did awfully well in 2004 under judges who you will no doubt class as m.o.t.r.and german judges.as a matter of fact some of the champions from the german side have been awarded ccs by m.o.t.r.judges.does this mean they are second class champions.lets all pull together and stop being nasty with regards to the animalsand just maybe things will start to improve.i know a lot of exhibitors who are now coming over and using german animals .lets not put them off by our nasty attitude to one another.
by Videx on 18 March 2009 - 01:03
noddi: What is the name of your female, pulled into the centre at the League Spectacular Open Show?
My reference to "clique and niche" is very very accurate in regards to Alsatian and M.O.T.R. This precise analogy needs to be fully understood by the majority in our breed. Similarly the majority also needs to totally dismiss the comments from these 'cliques and niche' fraternity regarding "interpretation of the GSD breed standard" - this comment in respect of their "type" is utter hogwash. The FCI which represents the vast majority of Kennel Clubs throughout the World, state very clearly on their website that the SV GSD breed Standard IS THE STANDARD for our breed.
The SV have the absolute authority to INTERPRET their breed standard, and they do so clearly and emphatically, and expecially at their annual GERMAN SIEGER SHOW. The largest numerically single breed show in the World, held annually with around 2500 dogs shown. The highest placed GSD in each class can be confidently taken as representing the very best and most accurate representation of the SV breed standard. A visual interpretation that cannot be bettered, and certainly cannot be challenged.
This is why the Alsatianists and M.O.T.R. have never argued with my assertion on this, they simply ignore it and comment on other things. They have been nailed and they know it.
To convince oneself that an "average" M.O.T.R. example of our breed is in some way superior to an excellent, even outstanding example of our breed, is only made worse by the Alsatianists who convince themselves that an appalling example of our breed is the most superior example of our breed. Our dogs should never be judged by the clothes the handler wears, or the 'clque or niche' the owner has decided to "fit" it into, or by the way attraction of it is done. We should all recognise the best examples of our breed and we should all be aiming to emulate them in our own breeding and with our show dogs.
My reference to "clique and niche" is very very accurate in regards to Alsatian and M.O.T.R. This precise analogy needs to be fully understood by the majority in our breed. Similarly the majority also needs to totally dismiss the comments from these 'cliques and niche' fraternity regarding "interpretation of the GSD breed standard" - this comment in respect of their "type" is utter hogwash. The FCI which represents the vast majority of Kennel Clubs throughout the World, state very clearly on their website that the SV GSD breed Standard IS THE STANDARD for our breed.
The SV have the absolute authority to INTERPRET their breed standard, and they do so clearly and emphatically, and expecially at their annual GERMAN SIEGER SHOW. The largest numerically single breed show in the World, held annually with around 2500 dogs shown. The highest placed GSD in each class can be confidently taken as representing the very best and most accurate representation of the SV breed standard. A visual interpretation that cannot be bettered, and certainly cannot be challenged.
This is why the Alsatianists and M.O.T.R. have never argued with my assertion on this, they simply ignore it and comment on other things. They have been nailed and they know it.
To convince oneself that an "average" M.O.T.R. example of our breed is in some way superior to an excellent, even outstanding example of our breed, is only made worse by the Alsatianists who convince themselves that an appalling example of our breed is the most superior example of our breed. Our dogs should never be judged by the clothes the handler wears, or the 'clque or niche' the owner has decided to "fit" it into, or by the way attraction of it is done. We should all recognise the best examples of our breed and we should all be aiming to emulate them in our own breeding and with our show dogs.
by missbeeb on 18 March 2009 - 10:03
Mmmmm... good post, David.
by Videx on 18 March 2009 - 10:03
Thank you miss beeb, we have to assert truth and reality about our breed and within our breed most firmly.
by Jeevs on 18 March 2009 - 11:03
You are really showing your true colours now videx. I would remind you that when judging in this country we have to judge to the UK Kennel Club breed standard (as we interpret it). If you feel unable to do so, can I take it you will not be accepting any more judging appointments in the UK?
by jaymesie51 on 18 March 2009 - 13:03
jeevs are you saying that alstians fit the KC standard ??? I DO NOT THINK SO maybe a vist to specavers would do you some good and help you see the words that are printed in the KC standard
jim h
jim h
by Jeevs on 18 March 2009 - 14:03
jim that is my point exactly, it is the words printed in the KC standard that we agree to judge to when we sign a contract to judge, not the FCI , SV or any other, however much you would like it to be. If that is how you wish to judge/be judged then the only answer is to exhibit abroad.
There is nothing wrong with my eyes, and I have already said on this site I have voted for the split because I do not consider the extreme 'English' type fit my interpretation of the standard. However, what you have to remember is that you can only judge what is entered under you, and place them by considering the seriousness of any fault you perceive them to have.
All judges have to start at shows with a maximum of three classes, and as club shows do not put on that few classes, without all breed shows you would have no judges coming through the ranks. Also although it may surprise you many owners do actually enjoy showing their dogs at all breed shows and having them judged by either up and coming breed judges or all rounders.
There is nothing wrong with my eyes, and I have already said on this site I have voted for the split because I do not consider the extreme 'English' type fit my interpretation of the standard. However, what you have to remember is that you can only judge what is entered under you, and place them by considering the seriousness of any fault you perceive them to have.
All judges have to start at shows with a maximum of three classes, and as club shows do not put on that few classes, without all breed shows you would have no judges coming through the ranks. Also although it may surprise you many owners do actually enjoy showing their dogs at all breed shows and having them judged by either up and coming breed judges or all rounders.
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