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yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 18 January 2009 - 03:01

Cesar Milan is not for me..I have no use for him.

YR

by ocoey on 18 January 2009 - 03:01

Sueincc, you sure have that right.  The exercise alone would fix a good chuck of the problems.  Why is it most of the dogs you see out walking with their owners are under 2?  What happens after that? 

GARD:  Way to take that shot and still make your point!  That's what I like to see from a real dog...and a real man! 

by Abhay on 18 January 2009 - 04:01

That dog with The Dog Whisperer, is not really trying to engage him. It jumps vertical to play a game with what
it can grip ie: clothes, leash. The dog had more  than enough slack to drive in and take hold of Milan's thigh, privates, etc.
had he wanted to. That dog goes vertical every time, as a game.   Milan claims all GSD's just bite and release. What's up with that?

As for that short winded Mal, It should be alright, as long as the confrontation is under 10minutes.  Lack of oxygen and the inability to breathe will make cowards of man, horse and dog.

Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 18 January 2009 - 05:01

His rules are good for pet people.   exercise, discipline, affection.   Some of what he says is right on for the general pet population.

 

I'd like to see him actually try to train/work a dog in drive.    Whether it be protection, herding or something of the like....Would he know how to find that balance? 

Kathy


jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 18 January 2009 - 06:01

i just love threads about tv dog trainers.   what you see in a 30 min.  episode is probably only   a small portion of what really happens.  who knows if the dog was taken behind the shed, had its ass kicked, and put back in its place.

oh well, keep watching tv with your dog and maybe sooner or later they will learn how to be a good dog.

john

GSDkatrina

by GSDkatrina on 18 January 2009 - 09:01

I went to a Cesar Millan seminar a few years ago-he was very entertaining and I agree that his first seasons were more real -and I love his EDA theory! Although, it seemed that his answer to every problem he encountered was-take your dog for a walk-it's true they need their walks and so much more-but I think as someone mentioned here- he has a very talented team behind him! The shows were hilarious when he imitated the dogs-I like him and hope he doesn't lose his way-Cesar's way that is!! Cesar was taking questions at the end of his seminar and his wife Illusion Millan interupted him when he was getting ready to answer another question-she looked at her watch and said I'm sorry but this needs to be the last one-he smiled-turned away slowly from her and said to the audience ( almost whispered;) Dominant Bitch! The whole college roared! I am sure that it was part of the show-he is very entertainng though. karina PS I tried to get my male GSD's attention once with the " light tap/kick" to see if he would stop fixating at a dog we were passing that was staring at him - I might as well kicked my self! LOL

GSDkatrina

by GSDkatrina on 18 January 2009 - 09:01

I went to a Cesar Millan seminar a few years ago-he was very entertaining and I agree that his first seasons were more real -and I love his EDA theory! Although, it seemed that his answer to every problem he encountered was-take your dog for a walk-it's true they need their walks and so much more-but I think as someone mentioned here- he has a very talented team behind him! The shows were hilarious when he imitated the dogs-I like him and hope he doesn't lose his way-Cesar's way that is!! Cesar was taking questions at the end of his seminar and his wife Illusion Millan interupted him when he was getting ready to answer another question-she looked at her watch and said I'm sorry but this needs to be the last one-he smiled-turned away slowly from her and said to the audience ( almost whispered;) Dominant Bitch! The whole college roared! I am sure that it was part of the show-he is very entertainng though. karina PS I tried to get my male GSD's attention once with the " light tap/kick" to see if he would stop fixating at a dog we were passing that was staring at him - I might as well kicked my self! LOL

by Bancroft on 18 January 2009 - 10:01

I think he is great.

His style definitely suits dealing with out of control, red zone, aggressive dogs. I think he is firm without tipping over into bullying or violence which I can gurantee you a lot of so-called "trainers" resort to.

His basics tennants are sound, exercise, discipline, affection : rules, boundaries, limitations.

It is surprising to see how stupid the general public are in humanising their dogs and how these dogs utterly run all over their owners. Seen a few working dogs like that too!



by jesse james on 18 January 2009 - 19:01

I too think the man is just great.  Don't forget it is not just the dogs he is dealing with but the people that have to deal with these dogs. This is domestic behaviour  that is being delt with and not a training issue for the competition field.  Two different aspects in MHO. 

Jess


by shasta98 on 18 January 2009 - 21:01

 Ya know, someone tell me why I come back for more:-) I will get on this board, post some, get tired of it and leave, then repeat the cycle again every so many months or so. 

What it looked like to me was that once again CM basically squelched a behavior and put yet another dog (or hybrid as the case may be which it looked like this was a hybrid, who knows what content) into a state of learned helplessness. You can't tell me that the minute the animal is back with the owners, and they try to do the same thing, he's not going to come back up the leash at THEM, only this time maybe harder. All he learned from that episode was that he couldn't get away with it by going so half hearted...maybe next time he tries to do it faster, or is more aggressive then this time. The scary thing to me was NOT what Cesar did to the animal, but what the owners got out of it. That it's dominance based (sheesh, isn't THAT a surprise, EVERYTHING is dominance with this ding-a-ling (thanks for the new nick name:-))...even down to a dog with an OCD he labels as "dominant". I'm getting so dang sick of everything as dominant!)  and that all they have to do is what he did. But with an animal that size and without the speed and skill to maintain it, someone's going to get hurt. And the owners seemed to get the impression that it was fixed because the animal stopped the attack. Could you not see the wheels turning in the dogs eyes?? He seemed to just be waiting for this guy (CM) to leave before he was going to turn and get something. 

Plus, how does CM think this is going to teach the dog to behave around other dogs? So now, every time this animal sees another dog he thinks his owner is going to attack him? 

Not only that, but if CM WAS going to use this method, at least do it right! He was trying to hang the dog off him, but kept giving in on the slack which only allowed the animal to try to come at him again. He was going halfhearted with it as well. If the dog/hybrid or whatever it was had really wanted to he could have done some SERIOUS damage! As it was he got bit pretty good (though I've seen worse). 

Plus, I know for a fact that the guy only takes on animals he can actively squelch, he doesn't take on the truly serious cases. Well, at least he didn't used to, dont' know about now. I worked a rottie that he had turned down for this very reason. And the rottie truly was a dangerous dog, one of the scariest I've ever seen. A large male that walked into the room, the owner dropped the leash accidentally and the dog came up and put his feet on my shoulders, put his face in mine and gave that low throaty growl that said if I moved I was a dead gal! We managed to work with that dog for quite awhile but in the long run, the management of the dog was just too much for the owner and he was PTS before he could seriously do some damage (he already had several bites before I got to him, and this was a pet home). I would have paid good money to see Cesar try to work that dog the way he does. And even better money to find out what happened to the animals after the "dominator" is out of the picture. 





 


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