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wuzzup

by wuzzup on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

Beautiful GERMAN SHEPHERDS to both steve 1 and GSDFLORIDA..


animules

by animules on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

I would not turn down a long stock coat IF it had the other qualities I wanted in a dog.  I agree with Nia, set up the registry the same as the Mal's  and Terv's in Germany do.


sueincc

by sueincc on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

I'm wondering if going with a seperate variety has something to do with the  Langstockhaar Schaferhund Verein Deutschland?   This is the organization that was set up after the long stock coat was no longer allowed breed surveys by the SV.  They have their own trials, breed surveys and shows - even a BSZS.   Maybe this way allows that organization to continue but as an arm of the SV?


wuzzup

by wuzzup on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

The seperation into different breeds is a crok.The ony differece between a terv and a belgium are the colors,and thats a crock too.You all know this..


Mystere

by Mystere on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

Jeanne, You are incorrect. The difference between Mals and Tervs is NOT color. It is coat. The Tervs are the longhair version, physically.

sueincc

by sueincc on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

A Terv and a Mal have a lot more difference than color, most importantly the drives are as different as night and day, kind of like the difference between working and show line GSDs. 

Anyway, that's a different topic.  I really think the fact that there is already an organization (Langstockhaar Schaferhund Verein Deutschland) must play a part in this.


Mystere

by Mystere on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

Sueincc, You are absolutely right. I didn't want to get into the whole drive/work ability issue (again), so I specified the physical difference. :-) You may well be correct about the SV' s plan, too. It would be financial sense to bring the LH org into the SV. But, still, what chaos is on the horizon in that case. :-)

wuzzup

by wuzzup on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

I believe I Said  in the Terv and the Belgium color was the only difference,as for the mals ,I wonder how much breeding for temperament was carefully thought out to bring about the attitude change.I would think quite alot..


Oskar1

by Oskar1 on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

Hello again,

I dont really see why it should become a big mess .......... you have Landstockhaar and you have Stockhaar, easy to devide. All that will be new is that there will be a seperate Breedbook in the SV for Langstockhaar. Evereything else will be just as it is right now with the Stockhaar. Not really that difficult. If one believes he has a Stockhaar, and a Judge determens his animal to be Langstockhaar, the dog is plain simply switch from one breedbook to the other. It will allow, by SV standarts, the Langstockhaar to be worked and trialed in just the exact same way the Stockhaars are. IMO a good thing.

Regards Ulli


Mystere

by Mystere on 11 January 2009 - 19:01

Your response was a non-sequitor, then, as I specifically referenced Mals and Tervs in my example, to which you appeared to be responding. Sorry I did not read your response more carefully to pick up that it was a non-sequitor. In any event, the Groendal (sp) is an entirely different matter, too. :-) It is NOT distinquished only by color AND coat. It has a different physical structure as well. The third arm of the Terv/Mal is the Lakenois, the wire-haired version.





 


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