Traumhof GSDs - Page 4

Emails were the preferred method used at the breeder's request.  That has been mentioned above.  Posting here was a last resort to try and obtain some information or assistance.  I did not make any nasty comments in regards to the lines or the breeder's integrity - just the opposite in fact.  I continue to have only good things to say about everything except the communication issue.  I cannot help what others have posted that needs to be defended.  I have not and will not join in on that part of the discussion.

I understand that a number of you are breeders, etc. who deal with each other on a regular basis and as such have personal relationships that you can rely upon.  There are, however, indiduals like us who don't know a particular breeder from Adam as Pharaoh pointed out.  We do not show dogs.  We do not breed dogs.  As a general statement to all breeders: If there is some expectation that the client should know every in and out of the showing/breeding world, then perhaps clients should be limited to those who are in that business.


* It is now about 3 years later and I came upon this old post by accident via Google.  If anyone of you who replied with these idiotic responses had actually bothered to read any of my posts, you would have seen that I was defending Karen's character from the very beginning (including comments in this very post).  My only complaint was about the lack of communication.  Being new to this forum, I had no idea that the vultures would swoop in and use my thread as an opportunity to attack Karen's character or breeding program.  Regardless, I did receive my limited AKC registration.  I am not sure if I ever should have received anything for the German registration, nor does it matter at this point.  Karen and I worked all of this out years ago and have become friends - and I have a 2nd pup from her as well.

Now that we have that settled..LOL

If all you were wanting was some communication, then why did you go to the stud's pedigree and imply that some source told you that his progeny aren't registered?
And, who exactly have you been talking to concerning this stud that would be a reputable source on whether or not Sherry's progeny are AKC/USCA registered/registerable? I'd love to know that one. Would you care to give that information? Or, did you make it up to cause problems for this person and her great dog?
Regardless, this goes a bit further than merely checking to see what was taking so long for paperwork for your 'pet' puppy. You overreacted big time, and put a negative comment for her stud that cannot be erased (its not like someone is going to read that and know the entire story like we do; you have negatively affected their reputation by doing such-should we believe you didn't intend on doing that? I think you did). That says something about you, naive or experienced.
Like everyone is saying here, if you were so concerned, why didn't you come out and say so to Karen in a answering machine message or email instead of expecting Karen to figure it out for you? I'm sure she would've given you what you were seeking had she known you were truly so tore up.
When you get your paperwork that you've overreacted about, are you going to come here and issue an apology or correction for your negative implication for the stud dog and the registration of his progeny?  I would guess NOT.

These personal attacks on Acheron are getting out of hand. If the breeder has someting to say let her say it instead of sending her minions on here to defend her. All he wanted to know is where is my AKC paperwork!

One last time a professional and ethical breederl should over the couse of a 6 month period Communicate in some form to her customers who 6 months ago paid her two grand for their pup's.  It should be the breeders responsibil;ity to explain the delay not the customers calling and asking whats going on with my AKC papers that were supposed to be in my hands by now as per the contract I signed.    End of story!!!

You guys are BRUTAL!  When the parents, the puppies, or all of the above are improted, it can take up to a year to get the paperwork taken care of and forwarded on to the puppies' buyers. If any part of the process gets lost in the mail (and it DOES from time to time, believe me!) you can add months to the process. Fofget getting much done with the SV in summer and at Christmas time. The Europeans bring new meaning to the word "vacation." They operate with a skeleton crew during peak holiday seasons. I'm surpirsed the lights are even on for 3 weeks at Christmas. In the old days we had to send the ORIGINAL  SV papers to both the SV and the AKC. Neither were in any particular hurry to return them, not concerned in the least how many puppy buyers' phone calls we had to field while they sat on their hands. The SV and UScA still insist on originals. Makes my skin crawl every time I pass a set of originals over the desk at the Post Office, wondering if I'll ever see them again. You don't want to know how long it takes to get duplicates if they are lost on the way TO the SV, requesting a Bescheiigung, odg still officially recorded as belonging to somebody else. In my case once, the seller had DIED in the mean time. Added nearly a year to the process.

AKC DNA test samples are flooding the lab. 3 weeks return results are considered lightening-fast. I suspect this is why we don't need registration documents to show pups in UScA shows till they are a year old. I just got the papers from Germany for a litter that is 6 mos. old. Very typical. Now we can START the registration process with AKC, UScA. With luck we'll have it all done in time for the UScA Sieger show NEXT SPRING.

That said, Karen and Richard are wonderful, responsible people. They are solidly in the "doing it right" category IMO. Please don't give them a bad time. There are too few people like them as it is. My little operation is nowhere near as high-profile as theirs and I spend hours every day responding to e-mails and phone calls, trying to sneak in some dog training between that and caring for the dogs, trips to the vet, airport runs, dogfood runs, etc. WHAT life? Anyone who can do it right like they do and still hold a job outside the home should be applauded! NOT harassed...

JMHO, SS

Acheron, after reading this all I have to say is your full of shit! First of all if communication was the only issue you could have tried other methods to reach Karen such as registered letter/return receipt requested. If ALL else failed you could have simply posted "My name is "John Hancock, I've been trying to reach Karen from Traumhof via email and phone and have been unsuccessful. If anyone knows an alternate means to reach her please let me know. Here is my email address or can PM me". What you have done is not only tried to embarrass Karen into contacting you by putting her Kennel Name and your registration concerns on public display, but you have also tried to blacken the reputation of her stud dog Sherry and his registration status. That is not the way to build a trusting or friendly relationship with your breeder. Your relationship with her is supposed to span the life of your dog, how comfortable will you now feel if any issues arise and you need her advice? You won’t! You will get to deal with trying to get answers from the Pedigree Database BB. I wonder how you will feel when they all turn on you the way you and some of them have turned on Traumhof? Karen has taken the high road with you and tried to explain some of the delays she is having, or has had with the registration. I'm sure many other breeders would simply have washed their hands with you and told you to piss off after what you have done. You have tried to sully her reputation plain and simple, why? Only you know the reason for that. As far as the rest of you "Posters" are concerned I only wonder how you would react to YOUR name/business being thrown out there for the world to see over something as simple as this? You are a bunch of bullies and cowards, If the shoe were on the other foot I wonder how you would feel? Acheron, I see that you have put Karen's name out there for the world to see, how about putting YOURS out there now. Perhaps you may want another puppy in the future and I'm sure there are plenty of breeders that are reading this that would NOT want to sell someone of your character a puppy.

SHAME ON YOU and SHAME ON THE LYNCH MOB PEANUT GALLERY!

Lol. I'm no one's minion here. I have never purchased anything from Traumhof/Karen nor has any of my friends. I have done no busines of any kind with Traumhof whatsoever, so the biasness does not exist. I have never spoke with Karen via phone, but have conversed a few times or so via email. I've seen her website maybe 5-6 times. She owns my boy's father now, which I would like to keep in contact with, and seems like a nice, professional person with a sincere desire to do her job with the breed via showing, training, titling, etc. I respect that.

With that said, if there were issues with Sherry's paperwork, then how in the world did I, and other people, get their papers for their Sherry progeny? We've got 'em-no problem. Sure, it took time, but they arrived just as promised. The ONLY breeders I've never had some sort of issue with has been Kirschental (Karl & Marion). They produced Sherry, and they are who I got my boy from. Actually, I've had TWO Sherry sons imported; no problems with EITHER of them, from the time the litter hit the ground until they became mine. Smooth transaction, pics from breeder during growth, flight time sent to me, pups arrived timely, puppies healthy and beautiful straight out of the shipping crate. Everything I could've asked for, and then more. 

Two Moons, did you notice no answer to your question on the limited registration?

And I agree with you, Sunshine & Oprah. I'm not convinced mere paperwork time was the motive for all that's been done here.

I am not attacking nor lynching the person who has started this post.
But, why is it ok for someone to come on here and cause this damage and issue to a breeder and that's perfectly fine, but we're not supposed to say anything negative to this person about what they've done, and maybe offer some common sense in that maybe they overreacted a bit?  Things need to be kept in proper context; this person may have had a legitimate issue on communication that should've been handled more like what Oprah suggested. Posting permanent negative comments about the questioning about the stud's paperwork for his progeny...how would you feel if someone posted such for your prized stud, especially when you knew you'd done all you could and wasn't aware a client was apparently so disgrundled? Would you be able to sit back, read comments about yourself here like what's been done and say, "Well, ok, I deserved that," or, would you be upset that they just didn't come out and say how they felt and save the public embarrassment for you?

Katjo,

I think what rub's me the worst is someone joining on Monday and posting this two day's later.   So many come here to vent frustration's and join solely for that purpose.

Surely people of merit would know how to deal with their own problem's in an intelligent manner instead of coming here whinning looking for some sort of validation.

My next pet peave is people joining just to post some advertisement of their own website or commercial endevor, that's what the ad's section is for, or they could buy a google ad.

Then there is the double team where someone endorces a particular breeder or kennel after someone else set's up the question.   I've seen this many time's, it's a common con-man's tactic.

You are right BTW, my question about limited registration was not answered.

I hate to bump this thread back up to the top but hell, I already posted my picture..LOL

People need to learn how to deal with their own problem's in a proper manner.

JMO.

Proud to be a Traumhof minion!

Patty Jones

Acheron...
Interesting.
Doesn't your contract that you signed with Karen in purchasing your Sherry daughter clearly tell you that registration papers will be sent when you provide vet-documentation to the breeder of spay/neuter since you bought her on a pet contract? I believe so. You are given a year to complete the spay and provide proof to the breeder/seller, or rights & ownership reverts back to the breeder automatic. Maybe you should go back and reread it. If it helps, here's from your signed contract (underlining is MINE):
"If you buy a pet quality puppy, you agree to spay or neuter your pet by the time he/she is 1 year old. You will not receive your pup's final registration certificate until you send us proof of spay/neuter. Or, alternatively, you will receive a limited registration certificate and must provide proof of spay/neuter or any/all guarantee/warranty is voided."

and also from your spay contract,
"Buyer agrees to spay female by age 12 months. Buyer agrees to send Seller a Veterinarian's letter confirming proof spay has been conducted.
If Buyer fails to spay puppy and provide proof to Seller by the time the puppy is one year of age, right sand ownership of said puppy terminate and revert back to Seller who may immediately assume possession of said puppy.
Buyer understands that this puppy will be registered with AKC limited registration as submitted to AKC by Seller. In the event Buyer does not have puppy spayed, any offspring arising from this puppy are not eligible for registration with the AKC."

Have you provided this required vet-reciept proof to the breeder of your spay so that she can even release your limited registration papers? I can answer that for you-to date, you have NOT.
So, what's the problem? You don't even have a legitimate complaint anymore IMO. Go get your dog spayed, send the breeder her documentation, and get your papers. Plain and simple. Until you do your part, she's not even required to do her part.