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Creatine part II

Based on studies by Mesch and other researchers, it appears that wild dogs can "wolf" up to several kilos of fresh wild meat at a sitting. Since muscle tissue is the primary repository of Creatine, it can be reasonably said that wolves consume relatively large amounts of Creatine when lucky enough to make a kill, or scavenge. Based on French research, this wild meat may contain more Creatine than domestic meats.  At any rate, dogs enjoy meat and will eat large amounts at almost any opportunity.  With every bite of meat they take, Mother Nature makes sure they get Creatine, too.

It can also be said that dogs are evolutionary-designed to consume not just meat, but also the Creatine within the meat as part of Nature's wisdom.  Interestingly, the first major Creatine study in America was conducted on dogs in the early 1920's at Cornell University. Scientists found a sharp rise in protein/nitrogen retention when exogenous Creatine was supplied in the diet.  Increasing protein retention is important because it is stored in muscle tissue, and less is lost through the kidneys.

But unlike meat, and especially wild meat, commercial dog food contains very little Creatine. This may be one reason why meat diets, most recently advocated by Dr. Billinghurst, and others over the years, report meat-based or meat-supplemented diets as providing more health benefits than dry commercial dog food alone.

The lack of Creatine in commercial dog food, and the replacement of it in meat, may be a part of Nature's wisdom of feeding meat to dogs.  So when you feed meat, you provide much more than just protein and amino acids; you replace "lost" wild nutrients missing from commercial dog food.  Science is just now beginning to understand "why" meat is so beneficial and productive to dogs. One of these "lost" factors lost in modern foods, but contained in meat, is certainly Creatine.

So when you feed meat to your dog--especially raw meat-- you're also supplementing Creatine because Creatine is built into the molecular structure of meat-part of the package. It's clear that Creatine intake is NOT new for dogs.  Actually, the absence of Creatine is new. Until commercial dog foods came into being, dogs consumed Creatine in the meat they ate from our plates. With modern dog foods, Creatine intake virtually stopped.

Yes Hodie , I very well know what ascorbic acid is     

It is a crystalline substance  C6 H8 06    that  I pour in my Swimming pool to get the brown stains out of the bottom...

It is less threatening to the body than other chemicals because it is made like the body substance that we get out of  Potatoes, tomatoes, Citrus fruits and green leafy vegetables...

I choose to get my Vitamin c the  natural way from Foods not a white crystalline product made by a chemical company...that is added to a dog food or put in a pill..

I    DAMN WILL KNOW WHAT A VITAMIN IS AND WHERE THEY COME FROM AND HOW THEY ARE MADE.

TRY       AMWAYS  VITAMINS   THEY ARE GROWN ON THEIR PROPERTY AND VIT C IS PUT INTO A CAP MADE FROM ASCEROLLA CHERRIES NOT KEPT ON A BOX CAR FOR MONTHS WAITING TO BE PROCESSED.....THEY RAISE ALL THEIR CROPS, WITHOUT CHEMICALS ON THE GROUNDS, IN   ADA , MICHIGAN...

ASCORBIC ACID CLEANS MY POOL REAL WELL

 I didnt ask the manufacturer, I don't even use the supplement mentioned. I don't knock it to those that use it, but I did get asked on the reason anyone would feed something with creatine in it to their dogs when I defended superfuel,  and I had no idea on how to answer that question because I didn't know enough about creatine (thanks for the feedback, I'll pass it on if that's ok) I just figured it had something to do with performance dogs, and since this is more of a pet owner that asked he didn't see the point. I tried to point out it' more for performance people, but again, didn't have enough info on creatine which is why I asked. thanks for the info...

Wow YR, .....so, if you know what Vitamin C is, then I suppose you would take issue with the author you quoted above scaring you about how ascorbic acid is used in industry? You use it to clean stains from your pool, yet you also take it? Are you not afraid it will also remove stains from inside your body? Or is ascorbic acid also not ascorbic acid?

I did not know vitamins could be grown... fruits are grown that have vitamins but vitamins are manufactured in a manufacturing facility from precursors,,,,in other words, chemicals.....So, would you suggest all people immediately stop using vitamins other than those produced by the pyramid scheme that Amway (and whose manufacturing plants probably also produce commercial vitamins for other brands, named and not).

Oh jeez, vitamins are chemicals........and if it is not coming from a fresh food, it must be "poison" to quote a well known scholar here. LOL

Hmmmm! Seems like she said,

"I choose to get my Vitamin c the  natural way from Foods not a white crystalline product made by a chemical company...that is added to a dog food or put in a pill.."

But suggested an Amway product

Nutrilite Vitamins are not manufactured in Ada, Michigan, but in California.  They grow, harvest and process plants on their certified organic farms in California, Washington State, Mexico and Brazil.  Ada, Michigan is the location of Alticor, the parent company of Quixtar and Amway.  Sorry, YR, you do not know what you are talking about here....I've been to Ada, Michigan and have a very good personal friend who has toured the Nutrilite facilities in California. 

No other brand of vitamins or suppliments are manufactured at the plant in California, only Nutrilite.

Marsha Seck 

Marsha:  I sold Amway vitamins 29 years ago when they were grown in Ada , Michigan and they then later started the coating which were then Called Nutrilite.   I was just a bottom level , never made it to Diamond or Emerald but all our brochures were very well explecit  where the plants were grown and how...They took pride in telling us how the land was kept and we used everyone of those facts to sell the product..  Brochurs had invitations to come to Ada, to visit and then they branched off into the Artistry  , line....

We were never owned by any other company and there were no sister compainies like now...Nutrilite was an old named company , that Amway must have bought into then...I read all the bulletins and never got to go to the conventions...but we were made well aware of the events..

Thanks for updating me and I googled Amway to learn they have a whole new company and Amway is not even in the US or Canada any longer...THEy are now a sister company and  owned by another conglomerate...

I emailed Amway to see if they had any of the brochures from the ancient days of the 1970's before my husband died of cancer..This was one of the vitamins the oncologist in Galveston at UTMB was adimate about him taking and was glad we had them at our disposal...He had already been taking then when it was discovered.and boasted him thru the chemo...

I know they quit selling Parsellinium E because I called the lady  here that still has a listing in phone book as Amway Dist and they dont have Parsellinium E any longer... They still raise the crops the same sterile way and still produce the vitamins fresh and on site....whether it be Ada, as before or California  , Brazil , <Mexico or Canada.

I imagine there are others out there that sold Amway many , years ago.,too.

 YR,

In case you also don't understand the role of microbes in plant growth, one does NOT "raise crops" in a "sterile way". By the way, having worked and consulted in pharmaceutical companies, i bet you also have no idea how any of these drugs are processed and created. Do you know anything about how pharmaceutical ingredients are extracted from base materials, in this case perhaps plants? By the use of chemicals YR, horrible chemicals....including solvents. One more thing: your use of the word "fresh" is also misguided. But that is another entire topic................

Seems this thread is taking a different direction from its intent. It really is not about Amway, ascorbic acid or someones grammar in the way they put words together trying to get their point across, I for one, understood what was meant. The thread is about menadione and whether its use is harmful or even necessary to be in dog foods or supplements etc., and being disguised or omited in the labeling. I have read the links and some other info that seems to say it is accepted for use in poultry and swine but not necessary in humans, ruminant species or dogs & cats as it is made on its own in the intestines. It sounds as though it "may" have adverse affects on the liver as well as skin and mucous membranes. So IMO when given the option of ingesting something (or my animals) that may have some negatives associated with it, or not ingesting it I think "common sense" would go with the later. If someone has some info that "proves" ,and is not biased , that vitamin K3 is non-toxic and harmless, lets see the research. Also if it is in such minute quanity's and not necessary, why is it in there in the first place?? Inquiring mind wants to know!!