Wants up with this - Page 4

Cate,

I understand what you are saying. Put aside these people who bred these mal/sheph, now besides them, don't you agree that alot of it is about a buck?

Also, instead of making a thing called mixes or mutts,  why not also do one call "working dogs"?

Just an idea,

John Kennedy

Come on, why do you care whether or not GSD/Mali's are included as long as it's clear what it is?   I understand being a breed purist and all, but this is silly.  It's Oli's board and if he deems it appropriate it's appropriate. 

Ceph:

           Guess what there are people out there who are both concerened about the pedigree and don,t sell puppis to "the first come with money or lets build the bad ass dog this time around" mentality. And just think if more breeders did take the time and planned out there breedings better with thought to drive,workabality,stability, you would not have to design your own dog anymore. So don,t lump everyone into that one pile that if your concerened about the breed your a puppy miller.

And yes you are putting these dogs up to the German Shepherd and saying "this is what a working dog should be" and spending the time with your breedings may not be the fast easy way but guess what it is the RIGHT WAY.

Frogs are best served cut off at the crotch and cooked in butter and garlic.    

Consider the fact that some people don't want a GSD and aren't trying to "improve" the breed  they want the best of both worlds or all three worlds and guess what?  They got it.

SSDD

I've seen some of this type of cross, not the paticular litter mentioned here.  Some get the best of both for working, some do not.  Like any other breeding, purebred or cross, you hope for the best and be prepared for some being pets.  Not talking the "designer" dogs here, but the GSD/Mal specifically.

Who cares if the periodic "other" breed shows up on the ads.  If you don't like it, don't read it.  JMHO.

GSD pedigree database, not a db for mutts, no matter how "well bred."  I agree - they should be under GSD mix, not here.  That would make much more sense but really why list mutts at all?  Does it have to be GSD/Mali?  What about Mali/Giant Schauzer?  GSD/Dobe?  GSD/Chessie?

As to this:

Consider the fact that some people don't want a GSD and aren't trying to "improve" the breed  they want the best of both worlds or all three worlds and guess what?  They got it.

What on earth makes you say this?  I don't see it.  Sure, LOTS of people don't want GSDs, so they get something else.  If these people "don't want a GSD" they want half a one?  Uh, that makes sense (not).  And they end up with a dog who on the Mali side has a BH grandparent.  Whoo-hoo!  Yeah, baby, couldn't get that quality with a purebred GSD, no sirreee bob!

I maintain that the German Horsemen have alot more sense than the German Dog people - but I was a horseman before a dogman...so that Warmblood Society always did make more sense to me.  And I am fairly certain that some dog people have more sense than others - the dutch being right up there.

As long as Oli allows it - it really shouldnt be a problem.  If not - a database section for something like what the Dutch have (I'm not going to even pretend I can spell the name...but it's a database for all the working breeds...and many of them are crossed.) might be worthwhile.

I generally defend this practice because I know of a breeder who has the three - and he has whole litters going to foster homes and jails for fostering until 7 or so months of age, at which point they go into more training or to the cops (I've been asked to foster..and once I get situated in a more permanent location, will).  They're awsome puppies, and awsome dogs...and maybe I should mention he generally has a very low occurence of HD.

~Cate

are you mean mechellaear herders?

i think it is ok to post it

Ceph-- I have been down this road multiple times. It is a no win arguement. I find humor in the lack of some people's knowlege and the rose colored glasses they see through.

To the OP why do you care? Is this somehow affecting you or any dogs you have posted here?

I will share something I learned recently on this board.....

If you look at the topline of this dog, you will see it is all Kukay's. Well Kukay's and the famous GSD kennel Antverpa were a Dutch husband and wife team. Kukay's produced many very successful malinios and guess what? Many of the pedigrees were not correct. So do we really believe that the GSD pedigrees from the Antverpa kennel are correct and being they were for all intents and purposes one kennel, did not cross there Mals with their GSD'S?

Come on people, be real. if you have a dog with Antverpa blood in it there is a very good possibility that somewhere behind you dog; is one that looks just like the one posted above.

As far as this breeding is concerned, I'll bet the breeders know something we do not. I would have been very interested in a dog from this litter had I known about it.

PS I am seriously considering a cross breeding of a GSD to either a Mal or Mal-GSD. Guess what......................................

They will have papers

I plan to single handedly destroy the GSD