Unethical breeding practices - Page 4

I'm just wondering how you know at 8 months what that untitled male is going to be at five years.  Sure he's going to produce the same - but what if he turns out to be a nervy, useless, ill-structured beast at five years of age?  Sure he could be awsome in a year...or he could be really really awful.  It's taking a risk that just waiting a year could deter.  Hec - she would only have to wait four months to get the a-stamp right?  Why now?  Why not when you know for sure the dog is healthy or sound?

It's not an attack - it's an honest question.  How - with a large breed that rarely matures until 2 or even 3, do you know that that is a good dog?

Titles dont make the dog....the dog makes the dog....but I dont know of anyone who knows all the same things at 8 months of age that they would know at two years (unless it's something small that matures early).

~Cate

In my experiance , a sound and stable 8month old youngster is most likely not going to turn into a nerve bag later, nor is a youngster with correct structure/movement going to turn into a total mess.  If the dog is sound, the dog will stay sound unless the owner/trainer messes something up. Its something that is entirely up to the breeder.  If a breeding comes together a little earlier than planned, and they feel comfortable making that breeding happen, then it is what it is. 

Dogs can look like they have good hips outwardly and still have hip dysplasia.  You can also ask our helper about the dogs that he worked with (male and female alike) that went flat after a year of age (by flat I mean lost their drives or their temperment.)

It's taking a chance...and it's not a chance you need to take...its much more easily avoided by having some patience.

~Cate

The woman may very well take good care of her dogs and puppies but the part I'm having trouble getting past to even ASK all the other related questions already pointed out above that went unanswered is that she is breeding a dog that isn't even a year old.  Ouch! 

How do you know what his Health is like at 8 months?
How do you know what his Temperment is at 8 months?
How do you know what his Drives/Working ability is at 8 months?
How do you know what his Mature Structure is at 8 months?

Does all of that matter, they are show dogs, not very many of them have good temps or drive.

:)

Gefauhr............LOL ouch......some do =) 

I think some people tend to generalize that because the stud and bitch have certain qualities that the pups are a shoe in.

I agree mainly that young immature animals should be held back from breeding until more is known about overall health and fitness.  

Some people are not looking to show or compete with a puppy and will tend to look for the color they like or the size they think they want , or is the puppy shy or out going.

These are pet people who dont think about things like conformation or hips, and they will ask things like are they gentle or aggressive?     John Q public looking for their next pet sometimes don't have any knowledge of Schutzhund or show and aren't looking to improve the breed.   Thats why spay/neuter agreements are a good idea.  

The reality is that the pet trade doesn't have the same goals as most people here and there is little that can change this no matter what some would like.  

JMO

The reality is that the pet trade doesn't have the same goals as most people here and there is little that can change this no matter what some would like.

Two Moons-

You are so correct. I really doubt we'll ever see this change either. I remember chastizing a byb about hips and health issues alone.

You would have thought I insulted this persons mother by the way they took what I said about breeding their dogs.

They have no clue, just breed for the money.