Why do breeders sell dogs without breeding rights - Page 4

I don't sell a pup on full registration for any amount of money, also I don't sell two puppies to the same owner (unless the first one is adult before getting the second) - I've been offered more money for both, but no I won't do it.

molly

I am continually amazed about the number of people who initially state that they want a working dog to actively train, and have no intention of breeding, only to later decide they want to breed their dog, with no intention of training and working it.  How can you possibly know what the dog brings to the table in your breeding if you don't take the time to work it, but instead throw it out back to pump out puppies?  For me, a passing OFA at 2 years, and certification of noteworthy working ability, that the dog can perform some worthwhile task, capable of reproducing into its young.

"Take this trouble for me: Make sure my dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim."

i dont see the point

either you want to do the right thing and keep your puppys limited or you dont bother.

i dont think i would be that impressed with a kennel wanting more money for full rights i think that a kennel with that kinda attitude towards the dogs is probably just after the cash

btw this is my personal opinion and is in no way a slur on any particular breeder.

I agree, more cash for breeding rights is counterproductive to the breed, and makes a negative statement about the breeder.

The only reason this is an issue is do to the fact we live in the U.S.  We come from a country where, with most things, you buy something and you do with it what you like. We have the "I paid for it I can do with it what I want, It's mine" mentality.  In Germany you buy a pup and you have an even more strict "limited reg." so to speak. The dog has to be of a certain age, titled and KKL before they can be bred. Here in the States we hear so many saying they are living up to the standard of the breed.... well from where did the standard come? The Germans.

Being American buying on L/R doesn't sit well with me either. Although I do agree that  the dogs shouldn't be bred without H/E and titles... So I guess it really isn't that much of an issue. That being said, it still bothers me to think of handing over $1500 for something with restrictions attached.

I used to disagree with  breeders who sold puppies on limited registrations.  I thought it was unfair, if you buy a dog, you own the whole dog, breeding rights and all.

MAN WAS I WRONG.  People seem to think that because they think their dogs are good pets, they should breed them and make more good pets.  That's the worst reason to breed GSDs.

Thank goodness breeders are selling pups on limited registrations.  Most breeders who sell on limited regs agree to amend to full reg once the dog meets certain requirements, then the buyer is free to breed if they so choose.  Why would a breeder who sold a pup at a reduced price, with disqualifying or major faults ever lift the limited registration?

Wanderer:  I don't understand why a breeder would advertise two prices for the same pup depending on whether the buyer wanted full or limited registration.  That doesn't seem right, maybe even unethical. 

One question. 

How is it ok for you to do it, but you are going to make that judgement call on someone else? 

You mean those that don't do anything with their dogs, but sell the offspring of those dogs on a limited reg?  Good Question.

I will admit I do have a problem with "breeders" who will give full registration for an extra couple hundred bucks. It encourages people to breed to "get their money back". Doesn't matter if its a breed quality dog or not. Now THAT disgusts me.

Don, I would LOVE to have my *quality* pups in the gene pool. But in addition to the dog being worthy, the owners must prove it too- with titles and health certs. Nothin' wrong with that in my book.

I was happy to buy my pup on a limited registration. Should she and I prove her capablilities to add to the gene pool of quality dogs down the road, her breeder will lift the LR to FR, no problem. Not that I'm planning on breeding. There's a lot I have to learn before I'd consider breeding. I doubt I'm cut out for it, dealing with potential buyers, the stress of raising pups right and placing them in good homes. The commitment you take on, assuming you take responsiblity for your pups, is immense and for many, overwhelming.

There are local breeders here who don't put limited registration on the pups they sell, even encourage not S/P, due to the 'special German lines' these dogs carry.  Personally, I would much rather see people sell with restrictions rather than almost encourage BYB'ing.

The idea of buying full registration doesn't sit well with me. It's about the quality of the dog, not the quantity of the wallet.

Jackie