any opinions on dogs from this site? - Page 4

Hmmm. I guess people don't realize that anyone that puts Male A in with Female B to produce pups -is!- by all correct definition, a breeder. Stupid people. But no less so that this story I heard:

A woman wanted to buy a female GSD from a breeder (respectable breeder, not BYB). She put down the deposit, but after the pups were born something happened in her family so she wasn't able to pay the full price. The breeder let her purchase the pup but withheld the papers until she was able to pay the difference. The woman went to a few shows and a few of our club meets with the female and a male pup she had bought earlier. The male got low ratings in the puppy class due to a notable overbite. LP, I think. I don't know about the female, but I think it did fairly well. The biggest problem was lack of socialization on both dogs, they had no idea how to behave around other people and animals.

Anyhow, after that the woman dropped off the radar for a while. About 2 years later she called the breeder out of the blue asking for advice on breeding the dogs; both without adult titles, neither with health certificates, and she still never paid to get the female's papers, which I think had expired by that point anyhow.

Uhm... if I hadn't finished paying someone for a dog, I definately wouldn't ask their advice on breeding... that just doesn't seem like the wisest move someone could make, IMO.

If they're too big to work at any of the traditional endeavers, you can always use them to pull a dog trailer full of ones that CAN or hitch them to farm implements.

SS

Shelley.  "Draft" GSD's.   That'll be the next great "money maker".  Very sad.

I had a "PetSmart" authority (read, some uneducated individual who happened to be in the store while we were there) ask me what Giza was.  When I told said authority she was a GSD he promptly asked, "What's wrong with her back?".  I replied, "Nothing is wrong with her back." 

Then he says, "Well, she has to be mixed with some wolf.  German Shepherd's have backs that go down at their tails and they don't come in that color and besides, she's too small".  (Giza is a sable and well within the standard.)

On another occasion (with another dog) I had yet another "authority" tell me my dog couldn't be a purebred German Shepherd because he was "too friendly".  >>rolls eyes<< 

It's a shame.  The general public truly has no idea what a real German Shepherd is or what it is supposed to look and behave like and no doubt it's because of these so-called "breeders" that tout "rare" and "old world" and "traditional large" dogs and charging exhorbitent prices to pay for those abhorent "examples" of the breed.  

It makes me sick to my stomach.   

"Breeding a select litter from unproven stock is a whole different story, than your entire program of dogs untried and unproven on the field or show ring. Assuming this guy really does charge these prices, he can't cry that trialing or shows are something he can't afford. If other breeders around him are titling dogs, the old stand by that "no clubs are available for miles around" is also awash."  (4Pack)

I agree with you 100%. 

They don't care, they will say anything to rationalize their unscrupulous breeding practices, and will have no qualms charging the same prices as the breeders who do all the work.  Or worse yet, they will scream to the uninitiated public  that the breeders who do title/show/breed survey their dogs are charging "exorbitant prices"  while they are so much fairer only charging $500 to $1,000 per pup.  

The other thing that chaps my hide are these people who do nothing with their dogs but claim the puppies they sell would make great schutzhund/herding/working dogs.  Oh well, why let a little thing like the truth get in the way when you have a great marketing ploy?