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by gsdlvr2 on 01 December 2007 - 23:12
by Louise M. Penery on 02 December 2007 - 00:12
And, if it were my call, I would have the dog seen ASAP at the nearest veterinary medical teaching hospital. You may generally have him seen 24/7 without an appointment or a referral on an emergency basis.
Yes, TPN ( http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec01/ch003/ch003c.html) is administered via a via a volumetric pump through a jugular catheter. Once mixed up, TPN bags (along with fluid lines) must be changed given intervals--even if not empty.

by yellowrose of Texas on 02 December 2007 - 00:12
vENZOSMOM: Louise makes every good point s that it could be and everyone has good ideas also...but Im throwing the axe in.....I can tell stories that will fill this site for three days of German Shepherds here in my area., left at boarding kennels, and even vets offices and what the help does when the night shift comes on, and the cleaning fluid use to clean the kennesl is the most abusive one of all....I can name several right here in my town, one of which sued the vet....because when she picked up her dog, his legs and stomach and paws were red and had rashes and raw all over...They said nothing about it,,,she got to her home without noticing because it was under the excited dog...Dog was 10 lbs lighter and also dehydrated.......they take the water away from the animals,,dont leave it in kennels,,and they washed the kennels down , without taking the dog out of the kennel, because he growled at one of the night shift boys......not experienced kennel trainer keepers......she brought him around the corner to my house and had me look at the dog.....It didnt take me 3 minutes to tell her chemical burn ...SHE WENT back to the vets office and they denied the dog had it on it about , 30 minutes ago when picked up....She took the dog into Tyler to a very well know, reputable vet...First thing out of his mouth ....have you had this dog kenneled....he stunk also...filtjy and he tested the dogs skin..and she sued the other vet..after many meetings and documentation and other findings of other people in the community...The vet paid her other vet bills and refunded her boarding fees which were so high , she could have taken a trip to the bahamas on it....
They probably took the water away from your dog because he paws it and dumps it. and for some reason,,if he didnt eat,,,,,he didnt drink either....no reason for you not being notified 4 days into the onslaught...It only takes about three days of no food and water to show on a german shepherd....especially one under stress, that paces and is in a strange place...I will be anxious to see what the boarding kennel tells you.....Have you already talked to them I hope so.....let us know....Hope he is ok.....
One kennel tied the german shepherd that was only 11 months old from corner to corner , because he growled at one of the help and they said they were all afraid of him.......another problem of boarding with helpers that dont know german shepherds and how to approach them...He is the most socialable and sweet pups and this man was livid when he showed up one day early and ask to go see his boy and walked right past them to the back to the kennel area.....Oooeeeee.....
by gsdlvr2 on 02 December 2007 - 00:12
yeah, Louise, I would consider a teaching facility too but she may not have the option. A good vet should be able to do what needs to be done if they have the equipment and staff. I wonder which IVF the vet chose? Venzosmom, do you know?
D5LR at 1 1/2 X maintenance would be my choice but, I am not a vet . Maybe even D10LR.....
TPN bags are never good more than 24 hrs due to the possibility of bacteria growth in that "sugar" environment.
Thanks for the link, I'm going to go look at it now.
by Louise M. Penery on 02 December 2007 - 00:12
IVF = intravenous fluid
D5LR = 5% dextrose in lactacted ringer's solution. This is for calories and to maintain glucose levels.
A good vet should be able to do what needs to be done if they have the equipment and staff. I agree--but, I'm sure that we both know that these are not plentiful. If not a teaching hospital, find a large 24-hour practice with specialists on staff or readily available for consultation.
The last local vet I visited (for a c-section/spay) had to spay the bitch twice due to failure to remove all of the ovarian tissue during the initial surgery. After the first spay, the dang bitch came back into "heat" a 3 months later, had a douple of ties with a male, and had cornified epithelial cells when vaginal cytology was done.
Obviously, I don't have the greatest faith in the veterinary profession.

by yellowrose of Texas on 02 December 2007 - 01:12
AMEN
by gsdlvr2 on 02 December 2007 - 01:12

by venzosmom on 02 December 2007 - 01:12
all i can tell you is my vet is great-i have no & never had a complaint about him-just so you know i did talk to him about chemicals & he said he sent blood work out for this already-should have back soon- thansk for the idea, hes one step ahead of me.
by Louise M. Penery on 02 December 2007 - 02:12
gsdlvr2, your experience is not uncommon.
Last year, I heard of a local vet where a woman took her dog for gradual and progressive weight gain. She wondered aloud if the bitch could be pregnant. No, not a chance said the vet. When the bitch continued to gain weight, the vet pronounced that she had a huge tumor/cancer--and recommended euthanasia. Ahem...necropsy found the bitch pregnant with seven, term puppies.
Naturally, there was a cash settlement for the client. Both she and the veterinary staff were sworn to "silence".
by gsdlvr2 on 03 December 2007 - 01:12
venzosmom, how is your dog doing today?
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