Made in USA ??? - Page 4

i use to have a pointer..HER name was spot ...

Another point about dog standards/judging.  I don't know too much about the horse world, but per my aunt there are horse shows where a) "mutt" horses are judged and b) all horses are judged on a basic general rule about how "horses" should be - not TBs, not Morgans, not Arabians, or Shires.  I'm sure standards exist for specific breeds and specialty shows do exist, but since there is a general rule about how any given horse should be - they are all the same species - even "mutts" are judged to be good "horses" or not, and 1 can pinpoint a bad Morgan just in that he violates a rule about horses as a whole.  Perhaps 1 should keep this in mind - again, seeing the whole forest and not just looking at your trees.

Haven´t read all in detail, but for being "made" in a certain country I guess the lines must have been breed there for quite a while, if we should be able to talk about American GSD, slovakian, swedish or whatever. I guess I talk about bloodlines, how many generations must a dog be breed in a certain country to call it a Czech or American bloodline?

I'm trying to post this to the Ol'Line Rebel... but it didn't work... "Maybe too long..??."

Hi...

I accidentally got this and copied it on my PC... the source was a thread here at PDB (but I'm having problems locating the thread...probably Oli removed it already???) It was meticulously translated by a Lady poster here at PDB...

Hope it will be of any use to you...And also Videx's website was also an eye opener for me...

Thoughts of the National Breed Warden

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, dear exhibitors, dear friends of the German Shepherd Dog,

Shortly before the German Siegershow, I would like to put forth my thoughts regarding the placements of the working dog males. As in each year the BSZS is the highlight for the exhibitors. The whole year long a lot of personal effort to prepare for this big event is made.

The dogs have been prepared via Club and Regional shows to be „topfit" on the weekend of the BSZS.

The written ordinance of the SV is in especially founded in the breeding and promotion of the German Shepherd Dog as a working dog.

The BSZS forms an important foundation to be faithful to the written ordinance as well as to our breed.

In particular in the working male class we have on this weekend the possibility to to judge the dogs not only on their anatomical merits (as is the case in the club and regional shows).

We are also given the opportunity at the BSZS to judge their temperament drung the protection test through competent colleagues.

Also the exhibition of the progeny groups give us a further, overall very important criteria to judge the breed value of individual males.

The breeders and exhibitors have during the whole season at different breed shows submitted themselves to competition. Many are calculating their placement to be "high" and already have expectation where their dog might be placed.

But especially in the working dog male class at this event next to the placements already achieved at previous shows, other criteria are also taken into account.

The Rating of „V" (Vorzueglich) can only be given at the BSZS to a dog in the working class that has on Friday received „Pronounced, let’s out" in the TSB-Test.

I am not telling you anything new, that within this valuable rating, there are differences from dog to dog as far as the quality of work is concerned.

I see it as my assignment as breed warden to allow a far above average performance to follow positively into the placement, to not only which does serve all of our goals in promoting the working ability.

Another attribute for a high placement has to be the exhibition of the progeny group on Saturday. As was already mentioned above it is here that the prepotency of the Sires is shown. The age of the sires have to be considered in this.

The quality of the progeny group is therefore naturally has an influence on the placements.

Further it must be the goal of the Parent Club to ensure a broad blood basis.

You will surely agree with me, that broad genetic diversity can only be positive for any breed.

For the above reasons there will result in the working class males consideration to the placement with respect to the Stand examination before the ring presentation.

The main criteria for the final placements is the actual competition.

Here the condition and constitution of the dog plays a significant role.

During the gaiting, physical efficiency, condition, presentation, dynamic of movement but also nerve, WILL To WIN has an influence of the loss or gaining of placements.

Whereby, I would like implicitly mention that the trot in the groups

Yes ...It is too long...Thats why I can PM this to Ol'line rebel...

Whereby, I would like implicitly mention that the trot in the groups without leash, is impressive and wanted, that the dogs are to be led in the "middle trot". The mid-trot is the original movement, that gives the dog the possibility to show powerful far reaching movement in good balance.

By very fast, also known as the flying trot, that many exhibitors have attempted to achieve in the last few years, will lead in many cases to losses in placement.

I have to express, in consideration of the competitive nature of such an important large event, that these mentioned factors will have an influence on the placements.

Is it not this competition that we not all want? Is it not the competition that makes such an event so interesting? Is it not the competition that all the participants and viewers want to feel?

This competition gives us always the motivation to start something new.

This has the result that the dog owners, should not necessarily rely or orientate themselves by the placements of previous years.

It will therefore not be necessarily automatic that a dog that placed highly will slip forward, only because some dogs that placed before him did not show up.

Because of my reasons outlined above, a dog that during the season – perhaps on several occasions – beat the one or other competition, that at the BSZS he may lie a few places behind.

Every BSZS is a new competition. The dogs must prove themselves each year.

My dear exhibitors and visitors, it was a need of mine, to give you my ideas in detail regarding the placements in the working dog males class.

Maybe it is easier for you then to understand the placements.

This message was a translation... I got from PDB.. just before the BSZS 2007...

http://www.schaeferhund.de/site/fileadmin/download/veranstaltungen/platzierungsi egerschau.pdf

"Serious" means he bites not to play but to harm. "Hard" may mean the dog can easily recover from pain/stress or he doesn't run for cover when challenged.

IMO the modern version of breeding lines refers to GSD's that are bred for a specific purpose.

1. AKC shows - You must breed to meet their current requirements in order to place.

2. German SV / Seiger Shows - You must breed to meet their current requirements to place.

3. Working Lines - Breedings based on working ability but have a commonality of conformation.

4. Then you have breeders trying to mix and match between these three groups. Groups like the UKC etc..

Does not matter where the pups are born but to compete and win you must cater to the current breeding fad of whatever you are competing in.