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by joanro on 26 June 2012 - 12:06
Vonissk, in answer to your question, "how many of those ruff and tough hard hitting extreme grippers would you turn in with a pen of sheep?" : probably the same ones that let family kids climb all over them. Just to make clear to you, being a sport dog does not exclude being suitable for any thing else. That's not to say that, just like there are show dogs that are only capable of functioning in the show ring, some sport dogs are useless off the competition field. But, commenting on Ibrahim's question, is a breeding where most of the puppies are excellent for sport a good breeding? Absolutely!! Especially when they have exemplary temperaments,structure, intelligence to complement their balanced drives.
by Blitzen on 26 June 2012 - 13:06
Nicely put, Joanro. Your opinion without being condenscending.
by joanro on 26 June 2012 - 13:06
Yeah, Blitz, I have a horrible back ache again today so didn't have the umph for condescension :(
by Blitzen on 26 June 2012 - 13:06
I'm feeling a bit crabby myself 
by beetree on 26 June 2012 - 14:06
Blitzen, you think you are crabby? I thought it was Felloffher who is always crabby! LOL 
Joanro, sorry to hear about your back pain, that would make me crabby!
I am not feeling at all crabby, however, LOL
Vonissk, you rock!
Joanro, sorry to hear about your back pain, that would make me crabby!
I am not feeling at all crabby, however, LOL
Vonissk, you rock!
by vonissk on 26 June 2012 - 15:06
Good Morning, everybody. Wow thanks for the positive comments. I said I wasn't going to say anything else but since reading all the comments I just had to.
First Jonaro thank you for your explanation about the sport dogs and herding. I hope you don't think I am trying to bash the wl because I'm not. I was sharing what I personally know. And I am glad to know there are wol, among many others, that still retain that versitility.
We all have our preferences regarding lines and types. But not liking something for myths and what Joe Blow down the block said rather than an educated answer is a crock--thank you Blitzen for the same comment. I too have my preferences but I prefer to keep my comments to myself or only to discuss them with my mentor because that way I know they go no farther and start a big mess.
And Mr Ibrahim, you and I have never talked, but I have a lot of respect for you because you are always researching and wanting to learn more and more. I learn a lot from your posts and the things you bring up and getting discussions going. I thank you for seeing through the fog to what kind of person that I am.
And Sun you and I have agreed to disagree at times but only because we have our preferences and that only makes us human not monsters. That show you were talking about? I can get that here and when I remember I flip over there because it has some good stuff on it. Thanks for sharing the story of Petro and all I can say is WooHoo. Not so much because he is ASL and I think they are all great. Nope not that at all--it's more because I know there are many ASL that can and do work and the more that is brought out the better it is that people see that and they're not all hock walking nervous dingbats.
I have owned every type there is and I love them all. I think it was Blitzen once said in a post that every type has something they can bring to the table. And I definately agree with that==it just takes a little research. Anyone can look at a pedigree and get all excited about how many titles are here and there and health certifications and all that. But until you know the dogs then all that means very little. Talk to people who have been around a long time and personally knew this dog or that dog and how they really were. Some of us weren't around or into it deep enough or not running in the right circles to know about this one or that one. I know many many people started with SL and then went to the working lines when they got tired of the politics and what was going on with the breed. I always do things backwards--I started with WL--my first mentor was a K9 LEO. And then when I bought my WL boy I knew they were putting his type up in UKC and I decided I wanted to go that direction a while. I like showing but like everything else it's not the end all. It's fun, I've met a lot of nice people but in the same token it's also political and sometimes the judges make you wonder have they ever read the standard and did they understand what they were reading if they did.
Anyway I have rambled long enough and I have to get around and do some things today. Everybody have a good day and once again thank you.
First Jonaro thank you for your explanation about the sport dogs and herding. I hope you don't think I am trying to bash the wl because I'm not. I was sharing what I personally know. And I am glad to know there are wol, among many others, that still retain that versitility.
We all have our preferences regarding lines and types. But not liking something for myths and what Joe Blow down the block said rather than an educated answer is a crock--thank you Blitzen for the same comment. I too have my preferences but I prefer to keep my comments to myself or only to discuss them with my mentor because that way I know they go no farther and start a big mess.
And Mr Ibrahim, you and I have never talked, but I have a lot of respect for you because you are always researching and wanting to learn more and more. I learn a lot from your posts and the things you bring up and getting discussions going. I thank you for seeing through the fog to what kind of person that I am.
And Sun you and I have agreed to disagree at times but only because we have our preferences and that only makes us human not monsters. That show you were talking about? I can get that here and when I remember I flip over there because it has some good stuff on it. Thanks for sharing the story of Petro and all I can say is WooHoo. Not so much because he is ASL and I think they are all great. Nope not that at all--it's more because I know there are many ASL that can and do work and the more that is brought out the better it is that people see that and they're not all hock walking nervous dingbats.
I have owned every type there is and I love them all. I think it was Blitzen once said in a post that every type has something they can bring to the table. And I definately agree with that==it just takes a little research. Anyone can look at a pedigree and get all excited about how many titles are here and there and health certifications and all that. But until you know the dogs then all that means very little. Talk to people who have been around a long time and personally knew this dog or that dog and how they really were. Some of us weren't around or into it deep enough or not running in the right circles to know about this one or that one. I know many many people started with SL and then went to the working lines when they got tired of the politics and what was going on with the breed. I always do things backwards--I started with WL--my first mentor was a K9 LEO. And then when I bought my WL boy I knew they were putting his type up in UKC and I decided I wanted to go that direction a while. I like showing but like everything else it's not the end all. It's fun, I've met a lot of nice people but in the same token it's also political and sometimes the judges make you wonder have they ever read the standard and did they understand what they were reading if they did.
Anyway I have rambled long enough and I have to get around and do some things today. Everybody have a good day and once again thank you.
by kitkat3478 on 26 June 2012 - 15:06
Vonissk- your dogs are beautiful, and I believe more like you are needed. I wish you would stick around and be heard more often. Anyone that has read your posts in the past know you are passionate about your dogs (and others).
There really should be enough room, more importantly, RESPECT, for everyone that has a goal that includes the betterment of the breed. German Shepherds are a versatile, noble respected breed of dog. They gained that respect in the US in the years they were viewed as service dogs. Is there really only one acceptable validation of worth for the ENTIRE breed?
by Keith Grossman on 26 June 2012 - 16:06
"Well, yes, except Petro is obviously an American show line."
ASL dogs are descendants of ancestors who were all temperament tested and breed surveyed at one time so it only makes sense that some would have inherited some degree of working ability despite not having been bred for it. That notwithstanding, how are you so sure that this is "obviously" an American show line dog?
ASL dogs are descendants of ancestors who were all temperament tested and breed surveyed at one time so it only makes sense that some would have inherited some degree of working ability despite not having been bred for it. That notwithstanding, how are you so sure that this is "obviously" an American show line dog?
by Sunsilver on 26 June 2012 - 17:06
1) Because the program SAID it was an American shepherd, and
2) You REALLY think I'm so clueless that I can watch a dog work for 15 minutes and NOT recognize it is an American SL??
REALLY, Keith!
I did try to find more info on where the dog was from, but had no luck. Would be interesting to know who bred it.
2) You REALLY think I'm so clueless that I can watch a dog work for 15 minutes and NOT recognize it is an American SL??
REALLY, Keith!
I did try to find more info on where the dog was from, but had no luck. Would be interesting to know who bred it.
by Keith Grossman on 26 June 2012 - 18:06
"1) Because the program SAID it was an American shepherd, and..."
The program, produced in Canada, referred to the dog as and American German Shepherd. I'm pretty sure that they were referring to where the dog lives, not its bloodlines...lol...
"2) You REALLY think I'm so clueless that I can watch a dog work for 15 minutes and NOT recognize it is an American SL??"
Not necessarily but I've been fooled. Did it have a head like a collie?
"I did try to find more info on where the dog was from, but had no luck. Would be interesting to know who bred it."
Me neither.
The program, produced in Canada, referred to the dog as and American German Shepherd. I'm pretty sure that they were referring to where the dog lives, not its bloodlines...lol...
"2) You REALLY think I'm so clueless that I can watch a dog work for 15 minutes and NOT recognize it is an American SL??"
Not necessarily but I've been fooled. Did it have a head like a collie?
"I did try to find more info on where the dog was from, but had no luck. Would be interesting to know who bred it."
Me neither.
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