Bitework Question: How should trainer progress. - Page 3

@ gsd fan - that ideal bite you talk about re biting the neck is feline, and not canine.

Dogs / wolfs rip and tear, usually in packs, big cats suffocate by compressing on the jugular.

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Gee
 

 

Here is a vid, of one of my dogs being tested, engaging under what I would describe as moderate pressure. 

Biting the first thing he can, without triggering / targeting to visual equipment.

Shaking the head, not letting go, staying in the fight until a natural conclusion was reached, which was part of this test.

The handler was NOT allowed to be present to give commands / support.

Not perfect, certainly not pretty, but I would stand along side this dog - without any hesitation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z05eCnyHgPo

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Gee

Small prey they shake to kill. Large prey they hunt in a pack, to stop the animal but the one canine who takes the throat holds it until the animal stops moving. The rest of the pack might start "eating early" and contribute to rapid incapacitation but the throat dog will stay and hold. Not as exaggerated or as long as a feline but similar behavior.

Regards

Nice grip Gee, full and firm, unmoving, not chewy but pushing to get fuller. Nice head shake. A little vocal but expected due to pressure. Overall confident dog. I highly doubt this dog was started in defense or put on a sleeve on his first bite session.

Mithuna, is her obedience flawless?

Until you've got that--and I mean flawless to the point where no matter what is happening or who is around her, she will drop within two strides to your voice command AND remain in that spot until you release her on voice command--it's too soon to be doing bitework with her.

Otherwise, she remains a liability, and bitework could actually bring about her demise. We already know she's got a hair-trigger and comes in defense, not prey--that's not going anywhere, it's innate to her. Without the rock-solid, ultra-proofed obedience, though, she's going to get herself in trouble.

@gsdfan  -  he is the real deal, can be vocal, always engages - fights for as long as it takes.

He is a warrior, but a perfect gentleman away from confrontation.

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I think the trainer does ob last.

Most do. For a short-fuse dog, obedience needs to be there FIRST. Don't want to dilute the dog's drive. Not likely to be a problem for her, however.

She is not going to lose her inborn civil character-- but you need to have it fully harnessed and responsive to your direction.

1.How should bite work be developed with this dog?

2. Why are the two styles of biting so different, and is anyone of the better or more ideal?

I would like to compare opinions with what the trainer has to say when I meet him next Thursday.

....think trainer knows what he is doing, he was a helper at the WUSV in Philadelphia a few years ago.

Mith - have you asked the trainer these questions?     If you think the trainer knows what he is doing and you trust his judgement, then why are you asking those questions here?    These are things you should be discussing with the trainer, consider his responses, then decide if that's the way you want to do things.   If you don't know because you lack the experience, then come here AFTER you get the answers and see what people suggest.

Good points Koots. I think the trainer has some credibility , but its not like " yeah thats , my ni99a right there ".