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by Geordie on 26 March 2007 - 16:03
Sorry to dissapoint you hodie but as you will see from thes links RC is a segment of Mars and marketed under the waltham brand in the States
http://www.waltham.com/brands.htm
http://www.computerwire.com/companies/company/?pid=6D97F5E8-D417-4ECD-A785-29B94C3C6D56
by 1doggie2 on 26 March 2007 - 16:03
Hodie, I understand and appreciate your cool head.
However, I went back to my receipts a few years back, and I was feeding my rottie, Nutro. He died of Liver failure. Rottie's are not known for liver problems like the Yorkie's. I Did not have him checked after his death, I was out of my mind when I lost him. I have racked my brain since he died, thinking what the world could he have gotten into, my husband does not hang a picture, let alone work on cars. Well now I can make an educated guess, I fed him! So while our cool heads have left us for the moment, I can undersand why. Hodie, he was so sick and I do not want to go down that road again. Am I afriad, yes. Also, while reading about the "corn" scare, it kills the animals and gives humans cancer. I think there is a very good reason to be concerned.
by Blitzen on 26 March 2007 - 16:03
Why not just switch your dogs to a different brand of food until this is settled? Maybe the dogs I mentioned above are sick due to eating the Nutro kibble, maybe not. It seems to me to make good sense to feed something else until all the results are in.
by hodie on 26 March 2007 - 16:03
I did make an error in my post above about who owns who, not that it is really pertinent to the discussion of tainted foods. Walthan does not exist anymore per se, and was bought out by Royal Canin. RC is a subsidary of MARS, but Mars has little to do with them in terms of the food that RC makes. Mars does make other pet foods and one can learn about them from their web site.
by hodie on 26 March 2007 - 16:03
I drank some milk last night. I got sick. Oh man, I better stop drinking that brand of milk. It was the only thing I ate all day. Could it have been the milk? Or could it have been that I just was sick for some other reason?
The point I am making is that people and dogs get ill all the time. IF your animal gets sick, it is certainly prudent to consider the signs and if the dog seems very ill, take the dog to a vet (*assuming you can find one you trust since so many of you seem to think none of them are any good and only there to gouge you with high bills).
The next point is, that while this is a very tragic situation, it makes NOTHING easier or better when people panic and start rumors. Stick to the official sites and there are many. Do NOT fall into the trap of spreading rumors. Do you not see that nothing can be clarified and the problem correctly identified and remedied if suddenly everyone goes crazy and just because they fed ANY food, begins to assume that there must be some connection? The ONLY foods implicated in this are wet foods produced by Menu Foods.
I am NOT saying one should ignore a dog who is ill, but to immediately assume a dog is ill because it ate some dry kibble, when it could be any number of reasons why a dog got sick, only makes the situation muddy.
The internet is a powerful tool. All too often it is being misused to promote inaccurate information and plain silliness. People are lazy and would rather read what someone else said on some stupid listserve or internet board rather than do some research to find out what the real problem and issue is. It may turn out that the contamination found is, in fact, NOT the responsible agent here. It might be. But it is prudent for cooler heads to prevail.
God, I hate to think what will happen if there ever really is a pandemic flu in this country...................we will be sunk before we ever get a handle on it because people panic rather than do their homework and prepare ahead of time.
by hodie on 26 March 2007 - 17:03
Another recall....did you eat this? Did you feed this to your dog?
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On Thu 22 Mar 2007, New York State Agriculture Commissioner Patrick
Hooker warned consumers not to eat "Smoked Sardines" sold by Apholo
Shippers & Sari-Sari Store, Woodside, Queens, because the [fish] was
processed uneviscerated.
The "Smoked Sardines" were sold at the Woodside store. The product
was offered for sale refrigerated, in an uncoded, plastic-wrapped
foam tray. The product label indicates it is distributed by C & K,
Elmwood Park, New Jersey.
The sale of this type of fish is prohibited under New York State
Department of Agriculture and Markets regulations because
_Clostridium botulinum_ spores are more likely to be concentrated in
the viscera than any other portion of the fish. Uneviscerated
processed fish has been linked to outbreaks of botulism
poisoning. [See ProMED archive Botulism, canned uneviscerated fish -
USA: recall 20061206.3439].
The product may be contaminated with _C. botulinum_ spores, which can
cause a serious and potentially fatal foodborne illness. Symptoms of
botulism include blurred or double vision, general weakness, poor
reflexes, difficulty swallowing, and respiratory paralysis.
New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets food inspectors
found the "Smoked Sardines" during a routine inspection of the firm.
Subsequent analysis by New York State Food Laboratory personnel
confirmed the product to be uneviscerated. [Although no illnesses
have been reported to date in connection with the product, consumers
are advised not to eat it.]
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by vomlandholz on 26 March 2007 - 17:03
Glad I feed raw! I used to go between foods, canidae, etc. But it seems like everytime you turn around there is another recall for something. Corn, Wheat, rat poison. Just never seems to end. And unfortunately, it's the animals that suffer for a month if not longer, before the companies bother to issue a recall. Heck menufoods had animals eat their food as part of their own testing, to have a significant number die. So they knew it was a possibility and still waited.
My animals mean too much to me to have someone just sit around do nothing until too late.
JMO
Angela
by 1doggie2 on 26 March 2007 - 17:03
I am changing to Eagle Pack, Holistic Select.
I can not find any wheat, or corn in it, the holistic brands. I called the company, they make thier own food and the Holistic brands do not have any wheat or corn.
1-800-255-5959 (EST 8-5)
by Blitzen on 26 March 2007 - 17:03
There are actually some positives to all of this hashing over of the the dog food companies and their quality control (or lack thereof).
First, these companies might now begin to pay more attention to what they are selling on the open market represented as healthy pet diets. This is going to cost them some big bucks. I'm sure Diamond is minding it's p's and q's now as a result of the class action and individual suits they are facing due to their lack of attention to quality control. That loss of money sends the message loud and clear - either clean up your act or dog breeders will no longer buy your products; they are watching you and you had better not backslide.
If we animal owners have been paying any attention at all, we should have a better understanding of what we need to expect and demand from a dog food manufacturer. We will try to identify and support those manufacturers/distributors who do not purchase their ingredients from countries where there are no pesticide bans or laws regulating their use.
It has caused us to learn more about dog nutrition and how to make our own pet food using ingredients we purchase ourselves. We have an option, make our own or use what we have learned to make smarter decisions on which commercial foods we purchase and feed to our pets.

by gsdfanatic1964 on 26 March 2007 - 17:03
Another informational read would be:
http://www.nexusmagazie.com/articles/petfood1.html
It really does make you think.
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