working line breeders in Canada - Page 3

We are a small kennel, raising only working-line GSDs. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me directly. info@stalworthkennels.com

Sory for the multiple replies. Two other good working dog breeders you may consider looking at are Carmspack Shepherds (www.carmspack.com) and Arek Malinois (www.arek-malinois.com). Hope you find what you are looking for. Good luck in your search.

Most of these kennels are breeding untitled females. Guess what people your pups are not worth the ink on their registrations. Addionally, you are doing a diservice to GSD's and breeders who title and koer their dogs. These breeders are just puppy producers and have no buisness being mentioned on this board when talking serious WORKING breeders. Just my HARD-ASS for the BREED opinion. --Bob

realcold your could of not said it any better and correct

Bob, are you referring to females that don't have SchH titles as being 'untitled' females? (haven't looked at websites offered). I have worked many titled dogs (SchH titled) and I can say that some of them are not worth the ink on thier registrations or the title that is behind thier name. Some are good sport dogs and are useless as a working dog. Others are all around nice dogs. Can't speak for others on this thread but ALL my dogs are worked. Most are titled (not in SchH) and many are certified in the area of thier expertise (explosive/narcotic etc). Guess a lot depends on your definition of a 'working' breeder. Those who produce sport dogs or those that can produce a dog that works as well as competes well in the sport of SchH. I have seen both types of dogs and breeders.

Chey, I'm with you on that. All of our dogs are worked, though not all are involved in SchH. I too have seen many good dogs who are awesome working dogs but are not titled in sport, or vice versa, many dogs who are great for sport but would never serve well on the street. Definition of 'working' varies from person to person and even between breeders. Titles give us a basic idea of where a dog is at in his training and what he's capable of on a trial field, however the difference between real working dogs and sport dogs is like night and day. In reality, thier purpose is very different. With that said there are many dogs who are very capable of both work and sport, but not all dogs. Best advice is for a prospective buyer to do thier homework, research pedigrees, meet the dogs in person if you can, see them work if you can, ask lots of questions, etc, etc, etc... There is more to a good dog than the ink on his papers or how many titles come after his name. There is no injustice to the breed or to other breeders who trial and title 'all' of thier breeding stock... just different ways of seeing things and different approaches to the practice of breeding or working dogs. We are all entitled to our own opinions. There is no right or wrong answer on this, it will always be a topic of great debate. Personally, I prefer to judge the dog and not be influenced by titles alone (although they are certainly considered). Of course its not always quite so black and white. Every situation is different, as is every dog. Back to the original topic, I wish Autobahn much success in his search for a good Canadian breeder of working-line GSDs.

If your bitches are good you should easily be able to get a sch 1. You are spending big bucks to get a great male stud so if the bitches are even half way good get a title. The male cannot bring the whole game to the field through the progeney. --Back to you who don't title the bitches.--Bob

Hi Bob, Unfortunately not all working dogs can or should be titled in protection sports. For example we work some of our dogs in areas where it is best that they not have protection work on them, even if only for sport (ie: SAR, therapy, or other service areas)... perhaps the views on this are different in your area. The dogs are more than able to get a title, its our choice as to whether a particular bitch (or stud) will be trialed in SchH or not. Again, titles are only a piece of the pie and not the whole picture. We raise 'working' dogs (not just sport dogs) so we have to consider all the angles in our program. This is our appoach and we don't dispute or compare it to yours. There is no question that our girls CAN work. Just because a female doesn't have a SchH title doesn't mean she doesn't have anything to bring anything to the genetic table. I prefer to be a little more open minded and look at the animal's actual performance, not just see a title. However, I can argue this point until I'm blue in the face... I suspect we will never see eye to eye so I will end here. Again, we are all entitled to our differences of opinion or approach to breeding, raising or training of GSDs... without question this will always be a hot topic for debate. I read once that "the only thing two trainers can agree on is that the other trainer is doing it all wrong"... I believe this often applies to breeders as well . Honestly, I don't dispute what your approach (you have to do what you feel is best for you)... I'm just providing another perspective. There's always more than one point of view, after all. Enjoy your GSDs Bob, if nothing else I'm sure we can agree that we have a magnificent breed!

I saw Carmspack listed as a potential kennel.This kennel has been breeding working dogs for thirty years. She has probably bred and placed more dogs in police,RCMP,SAR,and military than 98 percent of the people on this board. When it comes to WORKING temperament people like this breeder and people like Larry Filo walk the walk with what they have bred and PLACED over time as opposed to many people who talk the talk. The irony is that most police k9 officers don't think that sch dogs are REAL working dogs! So the thought process that ONLY dogs from titled, ko'er, bitches are capable of producing working dogs is erroneous and ignorant. Because the facts don't support the assertion! Now I am not saying that titled, koered dogs DON'T produce good working dogs if the homework is done, but breeders of knpv dogs, many of which aren't titled, have consistently produced a higher quality of WORKING dog than the santimoniuos "titled dogs only" people are producing these days. SPORT is not the savior of german shepherds nor should it be.JMO The breeder of Carmspack has forgotten more about german shepherds in terms of genetics,health issues, and longevity, for true working dogs than most people I have met in my life. She can give you 6 to 10 generations knowledge of every dog in her dogs pedigree. Police dept repeatedly return to her for dogs. I am only speaking for this kennel which I know of their record,but that in itself is enough to make me laugh at some of the ALL-INCLUSIVE statements made on this board.JMO

Well put Gustav. I would recommend Carmen Duggan of Carmspack Kennels to anyone seeking a great working dog! I've seen some of her dogs in the field and they have all be very good. Carmen is exceptionally knowlegeable (as you said) and she does very good things for our breed as a working animal. I posted her website address to this thread already for anyone interested to check her out.