Watcher Engel k9 ( matter now resolved ) - Page 3

I cringe thinking of all those poor dogs trying in vain to get out of the water and we took away their best tool to do it, wonder how many dogs drowned cos those guys never seem to have rescue boats on the ready or how many dogs got fried or culled due to human stupidity.

the guy who made the clip is a saint, he knew he was trying to get thru human stupidity and did it gently, wonder if it changed anything???

Most of the paypal deposit refund has been entered into my paypal account,minus the 7.55 amount for the paypal fees that was billed to me and as long as the paypal deposit does not bounce the matter has been resolved and I want to thank Carol for pretty much making things right between us,money issue considered closed.Thanks to all that offered support.

Bundishep, glad to hear that the glitch appears to be resolved. Once you've confirmed that all is well, maybe it would be fair to ask the Admin to edit the title of the thread...

Off-T again, Jenni, agreed on using nail clippers as opposed to scalpels, razor blades, regular scissors, etc--I used to keep a pair of the clippers exclusively for rear dewclaws, as they do tend to show up in the husky crossbreds more often than they occur pure Siberian Huskies.

The first time I watched a dog gnawing on a bone, and saw it using its front dewclaws to help steady it as they chewed, I realized that removing those was like depriving us of our thumbs.

SS, not really sure what the point of the double rear dewclaws is in the Briard, or in most of the other breeds where they are required; I've heard that they are mandatory in the Beauceron as evidence of pure breeding, but who knows if that's really true?  One big difference between the double rear dewclaws in the breeds where they are manadatory: those dewclaws ARE attached to the metatarsal bones of the rear legs, and CAN be flexed by the dogs, so I suspect that these claws serve the same purpose in the Briard, Beauceron & Great Pyranees as they dog in the Lundehund--providing added grip to the rear limbs.

Back On-T, it really is encouraging that the breeder in question touched base with you and at the moment seems to have made good on the agreement between the you, Bundishep. Guess this means you'll be renewing your search for your next pup, then? Here's to better luck on the next go-round...

which topic is on, and which is off again??

Hexe, oops, I meant Beauceron!     Are they required in the Briard too?

@ Sunsilver

Reason why visiting ,  this website is to learn about the dog . A member of the PDB recommended me to buy the leerburg whelping DVD ,  We did , It gave us a piece of mind .

Tried to find the website , could not find it again ... but this woman recommends cutting the hind dewclaws at birth as it helps to clear the lungs .  This woman has put a lot of information on the web for free , Step by Step for whelping litters .

On the 1st litter we had hind dewclaws , Vet pulled up the bone of the dewclaw with haemostats , then cut with scissors . Then placed a heated razor blade to the area that was cut . 6 days old          Rear dewclaws often have no Phalanx bones  and are attached by skin only .  The place that was burnt for a split of a secound , On all of the puppies there is no bald spots .  Is this bullshit aswell ?

 

A friend of mine has two beauceron imported from France. Both dogs have double dew claws on the rear legs, and both dogs walk sprattle legged because the dew claws are NOT attached by bone and flop when they walk and get in the way, same way they do on the every Pyrenees I've ever seen or trained.
As for attached or not according to breed specifics and usefulness for the job of the breed, I have a female Czech gsd who produced dew claws on most of her pups, using three totally different males. Some of her pups had double dew claws not attached, some pups had FIRMLY ATTATCHED dew claws, some single, some unattached. Her second and third generations have produced the same. She and her F2, F3 progeny have been the most instinctual, territorial and civil of any other gsd I have. I think the guardian breeds mostly have hind dew claws.....my belief is that my female is a "throw back" to the ancestry of the gsd. BTW, where her scars are from dew claw removal, she still has bone remaining and attactched on both hind legs.

Sun silver, the briard and bauceron are long and short haired version of the same dog, just different names.

Lanhua, you misunderstood me. I was commenting on the one thing only - clipping the dewclaws clears the lungs. What POSSIBLE releationship should there be between the two?? It sounds like an old wives' tale!

But then I thought about it and maybe the pain of clipping the claws DOES cause the pups to take deep breaths and help expand and clear their lungs??

Glad you came here for information. This has been an interesting discussion!

Joanro, I think the Briard and Beauceron are considered to be close cousins, but not the same breed. Much the same as the German Shepherd and the Belgian Sheepdogs are considered to come from the same stock, but are distinctly seperate breeds.

Sunsilver,  I believe the rear dewclaws were considered beneficial while herding on the mountainous French terrain.