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by Jenni78 on 08 March 2014 - 01:03
I wish we still had a "like" button so I could use it on Hank's posts!
by Hundmutter on 08 March 2014 - 04:03
Me too ! I'd also like to 'LIKE' vk4's last offering, that sums up entirely
the mess 'Educashun' is in by now.
the mess 'Educashun' is in by now.
by kitkat3478 on 08 March 2014 - 06:03
Well, the ad does say "mainly suitable" for, not solely suitable for.
I myself find that type of ad useful for someone with not much experience with the differece in lines, and the particular strengths of those lines.
Now someone that just wants a nice, laid back family pet would steer clear of them dogs, and I assume that is also what the breeder is hoping for, to not have 50 calls from people that are not looking for a strong dog.
I find nothing wrong, or musleading at all.
A good breeder should have a certain expectation out of any given litter.
I myself would replace the dog if the buyer was not happy with it. NO DOG SHOULD REMAIN WHERE IT IS NOT WANTED...
by yellowrose of Texas on 08 March 2014 - 07:03
I have the knowledge of my bloodlines and how I breed to know almost in three days sometimes in 2 days what my pups will be...I never leave the birthing box and I have very stern values for my breeding programs and I also had wonderful mentors from two top trainers and owners of kennels well aclaimed and help from lots of friends along the way and this site also to lead me in terms to definately say how a pup will be able to be used for,. Now the responsibility falls on the new owner when It leaves my care.. I imprint all pups as should be done and the weak never appear ,., I follow the german rules and I also am very picky and hesitate never to keep from breeding litters that do not produce pups that have good nerves and good structure and intelligent enough to be what I advertise,,
No litter is perfect no litter is 100% but you can immediately pic the best if your are a sincere breeder,. The reputation is easy to follow if you take the time and look and you the buyer must be educated if not y ou are whistling in the wind,,
Yes, be careful of advertisers but the ad you speak of is from one who has years of experience,.so if the pup is not healthy or shows up to be not what y our contract says, that good reputable breeder will usually make it good.
THE ROLL OF THE DICE....................................IT'S NOTHING BUT A CRAP SHOT ,,......i BELIEVE Dean coined that phrase many years ago,.,
YR
No litter is perfect no litter is 100% but you can immediately pic the best if your are a sincere breeder,. The reputation is easy to follow if you take the time and look and you the buyer must be educated if not y ou are whistling in the wind,,
Yes, be careful of advertisers but the ad you speak of is from one who has years of experience,.so if the pup is not healthy or shows up to be not what y our contract says, that good reputable breeder will usually make it good.
THE ROLL OF THE DICE....................................IT'S NOTHING BUT A CRAP SHOT ,,......i BELIEVE Dean coined that phrase many years ago,.,
YR
by Hundmutter on 08 March 2014 - 09:03
It is a 'numbers game' also, YR, this thing about knowing how your
pups will turn out almost as soon as they are born, isn't it ?.
Somebody who has bred carefully, but not frequently, over a lifetime
in dogs will have some idea, sure, because part of breeding carefully
is the selection of both the dog and the bitch for their suitability in
whichever forum/discipline/sport the breeder is keen to succeed in.
But if they have not actually produced all that many individual puppies
(and given the hiccups that can occur when a buyer decides to do
something different with their pup than originally thought, etc) means
the breeder does not get strong enough 'feedback' to be sure their goals
are being achieved. [That may be 'Czech spirit' - whatever that really is;
or it might aim at good all-rounder 'family' dogs, not excelling at any one
type of work but still able to have a go at anything. Or it might aim to
'just' produce pets / Goldens in a GSD skin !
]
Jinopo, in the other hand, in breeding quite a lot, and apparently having
room to run on quite a few pups and train them, even if they sell them as
older dogs eventually, must have the advantage in being able to judge what
they are likely to get, early on in those puppies lives, and whether what they
are seeking to achieve in their breeding lines is in fact what they are success-
fully getting. [This is a separate issue, btw, from what one may or may not
think about kennels which breed in very high quantity !
]
So I think KitKat is right, there's nothing in their advertising they cannot
back up by explanation, so to single them out would be wrong; there are
plenty of other advertisers who will make similar claims, then you find out
they are talking about their first and only litter !
pups will turn out almost as soon as they are born, isn't it ?.
Somebody who has bred carefully, but not frequently, over a lifetime
in dogs will have some idea, sure, because part of breeding carefully
is the selection of both the dog and the bitch for their suitability in
whichever forum/discipline/sport the breeder is keen to succeed in.
But if they have not actually produced all that many individual puppies
(and given the hiccups that can occur when a buyer decides to do
something different with their pup than originally thought, etc) means
the breeder does not get strong enough 'feedback' to be sure their goals
are being achieved. [That may be 'Czech spirit' - whatever that really is;
or it might aim at good all-rounder 'family' dogs, not excelling at any one
type of work but still able to have a go at anything. Or it might aim to
'just' produce pets / Goldens in a GSD skin !
]Jinopo, in the other hand, in breeding quite a lot, and apparently having
room to run on quite a few pups and train them, even if they sell them as
older dogs eventually, must have the advantage in being able to judge what
they are likely to get, early on in those puppies lives, and whether what they
are seeking to achieve in their breeding lines is in fact what they are success-
fully getting. [This is a separate issue, btw, from what one may or may not
think about kennels which breed in very high quantity !
]So I think KitKat is right, there's nothing in their advertising they cannot
back up by explanation, so to single them out would be wrong; there are
plenty of other advertisers who will make similar claims, then you find out
they are talking about their first and only litter !
by guddu on 08 March 2014 - 12:03
I find nothing wrong with the "claims", the breeder knows what they are breeding and why they are breeding. Its possible that some pups would be suitable for PP, others for LE. This does not however imply a 100 % assurance that the pup will turn out as anticipated. OTOH, if the breeder did not provide any such information, I am sure we would be criticising the breeder for not doing so.
by Hired Dog on 08 March 2014 - 12:03
Tabby, of course you are allowed to learn, but, asking the same question from 47 different angles will still get you the same basic answers which you did not seem to like.
Again, if you want guarantees, pay the big money and buy a young adult that has already been started in training.
Again, if you want guarantees, pay the big money and buy a young adult that has already been started in training.
by gsdstudent on 08 March 2014 - 12:03
tabby; your term Einstein, not mine. Einstein was a genius. Most parents have children who might become einstein-like or manson-like or more likly ''in the middle'', . Nurture is important. Chevy was my choice. If I go to buy a Chevy, I can see, touch, test the product. There are many other people who have done the same, felt, touched, tested. When I consult them, that is research. Go do your research, but to be honest I believe you have an agenda, which might be in the way of your research and growth. If I am wrong, one thousand apologys
by Cayennturbo on 08 March 2014 - 19:03
Which poster is Hank?
by Ibrahim on 08 March 2014 - 20:03
Hi,
Legally speaking you probably can't prove it is misleading. However it may mislead a uneducated buyer who might assume each puppy of the litter is good for the purpose it was bred for. In a litter, not all puppies would be of equivalent quality.
I have found out, after quite few purchases, when depending on a reputable breeder to choose for you, that buyer himself determines what puppy he/she gets.
without you noticing you yourself tell the breeder how experienced you are in the breed, what type of dogs you had before, the level of training or work you shall put the dog to. Unexperienced buyer, a buyer who does not train and work, does not show hardly gets a quality puppy as a breeder will take the chance to dump the less quality on you. Breeders, sorry but that is what actually takes place often.
Ibrahim
Legally speaking you probably can't prove it is misleading. However it may mislead a uneducated buyer who might assume each puppy of the litter is good for the purpose it was bred for. In a litter, not all puppies would be of equivalent quality.
I have found out, after quite few purchases, when depending on a reputable breeder to choose for you, that buyer himself determines what puppy he/she gets.
without you noticing you yourself tell the breeder how experienced you are in the breed, what type of dogs you had before, the level of training or work you shall put the dog to. Unexperienced buyer, a buyer who does not train and work, does not show hardly gets a quality puppy as a breeder will take the chance to dump the less quality on you. Breeders, sorry but that is what actually takes place often.
Ibrahim
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