Late Whelp (?)

This is a placeholder text
Group text

by Nans gsd on 26 November 2010 - 17:11

I would DEFINITELY help mom out; I would bottle feed them all a little supplement; they won't take if they are full. My friend that has big litters (rotti's) just goes down the line and usually everyone will take some. You can use goats milk (canned or fresh from carton you can buy) mix 50/50 with water unless you have someone really in need give a little stronger just make it warm so they can suck comfortably (no too hot) not cold of course. I would just help her now not wait. 12 is a hugh litter so it will help mama dog out and hopefully kick her instincts in a little better. She may have a retained puppy; be sure your vet gives her a shot of oxitocin or something to clean her out; calcium will help like tums if you have on hand or a calcium shot will also help her. Best of luck to you and your crew. Nanci

by CrysBuck25 on 26 November 2010 - 19:11

I am not really qualified to make comment here, tenmon, but I really think you should take mom to see the vet. Call it a gut feeling...Everything is probably all right, but it couldn't hurt.

Crys

by Jaclyn4238 on 26 November 2010 - 20:11

Update? How is she/pups

by tenmon on 26 November 2010 - 22:11

I was at the vet that's why it took so long for me to respond. I took all the suggestions and they were right on target.
As for milk production, she has ample to feed the pups. According to the vet, she should have no problem feeding the 12, but might take a bit of help from me by moving the ole hogs away from the more desirable tits/pasture and have the smaller ones find a nipple in this area. Pretty much a conveyer concept. The bigger, aggressive ones will take up the better feeding pasture. As soon as they are finished, move them to the upper end with the smaller ones moved to the bottom. May take a bit of time.
Alternative here is to do the tube feeding. His reply to me is that if they crying a bunch then they are not getting enough, so bring one of the pups over and he will make me an expert in 10 mins. Not to try the bottle stuff, time consuming and more chance of developing some kind of pulminory problem. I hope I spelt that correctly!

She is bleeding a bit more than he thinks she should be at this stage and could have a possible situation that is called SEP???? something like that. But the bottom line from that story would be a spaying. Oh how I dread this problem.

From the physical examination, his clawing at her stomach, he said it is unlikely she has one still there, but the only way was to do some ultrascan. But he said he doubts it and so he gave her a shot of something. Something called oxytocin, same stuff one of you wonderful person mentioned earlier.
He said that should tighten up the cervex and help with the milk production.

His two concern is the food intake and the bleeding. But will watch it. Need her to be consuming more carbs and calories at this time. Some oil on her food for the calories and more noodles and rice mixed with the raw, if that's what I'm feeding and if she only wants to consume chicken. Crush up some tums, like another great advice earlier.

So in a nutshell that was it. I had to visit 3 different vets so I could see one right away. All were by appt. only or drs. were out to lunch.

All your advices were on target, the Vet visit, the tums, the oxytocin, and the puppy feeding supplement.

Thanks a bunch guys. I hope you all had a chance to see their pedigree info. and liked it. Will send pictures when I can get the area to be a bit cleaner. Lots of red sables.

by Jenni78 on 26 November 2010 - 23:11

That doesn't sound right. Every bitch is different, but mine is literally totally normal right when she's finished whelping- tugs w/my male, plays ball, runs around like a nut. I do give oxytocin to be sure there's nothing left, but I really just go by her behavior (though twice she's had pups outside, LOL)

The bleeding will continue for a few days, but it shouldn't be heavy- more like an occasional discharge than steady bleeding. Personally, I don't help. I firmly believe in letting nature take its course when the mother is healthy. The strongest will get more. That's how it's supposed to be. That's something I always watch. I had a first time mother have 9 BIG pups and then have 10. I have NEVER helped; all made it just fine and by not helping, I got to really see who was who in the litter.

Your bitch doesn't sound right. Almost sounds like she could be septic or something. I would be very worried about the not eating; mine will scarf down anything you put in front of them after whelping. She will need a ton more calories and FLUIDS to produce enough milk for 12. Harrass the vet if you aren't happy. She's worth it.

by Felloffher on 26 November 2010 - 23:11

Some good advise that was given to me regarding feeding was to split the litter in half and feed them an hour on, hour off. Especially in the first 24 hours after being born, this ensures the pups get their antibodies from moms milk. Little late now for the last part. For the first week or two you can add some goats milk to her food to help milk production and make her food a little more appealing.

by Nans gsd on 26 November 2010 - 23:11

Here is something I use to help with milk as well as mama dogs appetite. Make some chicken broth or beef broth, add an egg yolk (yolk only) to a couple cups of broth and a very small amount of karo syrup. This will help to stimulate the appetite.

My friends bitch retained a puppy for 5 days; after I came out of shock I just told her how damn lucky she was to still have her bitch. Keep a good watch on your bitches temperature and if it starts to rise above l02.5 get her back to the vet.

That same friend lost her bitch the previous litter from septicemia (SP??) so try to keep watch on her very closely and watch her temperature. Do not wait if it rises get her back in. Best of luck and keep up her fluids; you can give her the broth formula (i call it mama's cocktail) several times per day.  Nan

by tenmon on 27 November 2010 - 00:11

thanks guys! Will keep a careful eye on her and also will try the formula.

by DebiSue on 28 November 2010 - 05:11

Congrats on the huge litter. WHEW! Keep an eye on her. She has been thru a lot. Hope all is well. When in doubt, back to the vet. I think the shift change at nurshing is a wise idea. Half on half off. Good luck with them. Dying to see those pics.

by noddi on 28 November 2010 - 09:11

Morning all,its now 9am in the uk.My foundation bitch had 11 pups in her 1st litter.i,d booked off a couple of weeks hols(vac for yu us ppl.)as it was my 1st time whelping.All went smoothly,even tho.she whelped a week earlier than her due date.Afriend did come and help me,to show me the ropes.Cassie whelped 10 pups in approx.4/5 hrs w/o any probs.the lady left at 2am and warned she may have another one,which she did.i sleep with her on a camp bed for 2 weeks doing a shift system which worked very well.i took 3 drawers from a chest of drawers,lined em with newspaper and then some cut up vet bed and placed 4 pups in 2 and 3 in the remaining one.then i put 4 on,when they fell asleep in the drawer they went Cassie turned over and then the next ones on the teats,when they fell asleep,i turned her over again and put the remaining 2 on.i did this for 2 weeks and then hubby was off on hols and he just kept an eye on the milk bar,but by this time they were taking a small potion of finely minced steak.the pups were all very equal in size and weight.when she had her 2nd litter,also 11 pups,neither me nor hubby could get the time off work and this litter varied very much in size/weight.dont know if it was because of less care during the day or the breeding.Carole S.

Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top

Late Whelp (?) - Page 3

Pedigree Database