Shiloh Registered as AKC GSD - Page 3

Exactly Kitkat, people educate themselves here. This is exactly why they should know that a "lower drive" dog does not and cannot make an excellent herding or SAR dog or any other proficient working dog. The drive that does not allow your dog to just lay around on the couch all day is part of what makes him a working dog. This is also the reason why people should know that just because a dog has AKC papers, it does not qualify him or her as true representatives of the breed.
This Shiloh "breed" is a dog developed without purpose and further, without validity of any purpose. It's a mutt, plain and simple. The simple answer for those people looking for a specific dog would be for them to first, find out exactly what type of dog they are looking for. Secondly, when they do choose a dog they should do a fair amount of research to determine that breeders are in fact breeding according to breed standards. Go out, look at the sire and dam, do research, and talk to people in the "know".

I'm confused, is this not a forum about German Shepherds? Is it wrong to be passionate about a breed with traits that you value? If someone took your Cadillac and mounted a bunch of Ford Pinto parts on it, wouldn't you too get upset?
 

harddawg - I like your Post, "when they do choose a dog they should do a fair amount of research to determine that breeders are in fact breeding according to breed standards. Go out, look at the sire and dam, do research",


....but be Warned....LOL


When I posted this-  .......Just asking a question,

Do any of the people endorsing the virtues and integrity of this breeder actually own, or have purchased one of their dogs?

Simply asking a question from the PDB folks who post here regularly.

How many times have you folks repeatedly said- Do Your Research?

Should a person, who is trying to research a reputable Breeder (any Breeder) take the word of people who endorse a Breeders quality of dog and integrity. When in fact, they have never purchased a dog from the Breeder they are endorsing?

If in fact you have never purchased a dog from a Breeder you endorse then you are merely repeating “Hearsay”

Hearsay;is information gathered by one person from another person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.


Again, I’m just asking a simple and reasonable question.


Kim


Oh....the bitching I heard!

On this Forum.... it is only.... okay to complain about Breeds and or, Breeders that certain people do not like!

If certain people (I'm not referring to you) on this Forum like you...No research is required! 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Kim Moore

I had have several Shiloh Shepherds.  They were in my opinion great dogs.  I am familiar with both clubs, Tina's and the new one.  All they do is argue and attack each other.  No thanks.

Both are guilty of some underhanded stuff just like any other breed.

Also, this breed is recognized by Rare breeds and I believe UKC.

Btw, the German Shepherd is a great breed of dog.  

Couch potatoes? Try telling that to the lady who takes her shiloh on 3 hour long 'pack walks'.

Can't do SAR? How about doing your homework before you make that claim!  http://www.shilohs.org/work/search-rescue.htm

The right hand side of that page also gives a link to the shiloh's other accomplishments in tracking, herding, agility, obedience, therapy, etc.

Here's a brief blurb about shilohs as protectors of the home. It's one of several I can come up with just off the top of my head:

Sherri’s household has three Shilohs. Recently, when workmen were installing a new heating system, they were warned not to take the dogs for granted, even though they seemed perfectly friendly while the family was around, and would lick the worker’s faces and allow them to pat them. One of the workers ignored this advice, and entered the backyard while the dogs were outside, without telling anyone. He found himself pinned against the wall, and unable to move until Sherri and her husband came to rescue him!
 

Someone pleas educate me better. We are discussing a breed that does not really exist(no recognition). And one o you say she tried her whole life to get the breed recognized the other days she never tried so which one of you(sun silver or kitkat) are lying when trying to justify your point?  Your dogs are not german shepherds so why is it being discussed here?

     A Shiloh is a Shiloh, a GSD is a GSD. There's no reason why both breeds can't exist on the same planet and for the life of me, I can't figure out why the Shiloh's bother GSD people. (some) It's like they think the last person on earth who should have been able to develop a new breed was Max. (who was breeding mutts to mutts btw..wonder how long he would have lasted on the PDB?)
    
      Trying to develop a breed takes time, money and a huge commitment, not to mention having to put up with the enormous flack from people who have no stake in the breed that's being developed. I think what Tina Barber tried to do took guts. She didn't try to impose her vision on a breed (GSD) that was already established, she went off on her own taking her dogs with her. She didn't hurt the GSD breed in any way.  I don't know why some GSD people are so hell bent on badmouthing the Shiloh's. Don't want one, don't buy one. Problem solved.

Well said, whiteshepherds!

BTW, if you're familiar with Shilohs, you will know that one of Ma's outcrosses was to Hoofprint kennel's Hoofprint Orbit, a white GSD.

Most white shepherd people are familiar with the kennel, and its owner, Joan Chayani (sp?)

Troopscott, I personally believe that Tina DID want to get the breed recognized by AKC. In the last few months of her life, she did try for recognition, but was turned down.

When the subject came up in the Shiloh forums, people would often wonder if recognition was a good thing, as AKC cares nothing for preserving the integrity of a breed. They just want your money.

The ISSR Shilohs WERE recognized by the ARBA, but Tina withdrew after they refused to allow one of her 'new breed' dogs to be shown (a dog less than 3 generations removed from one of her outrcrosses)  while allowing a dog from a rival registry that was the son/daughter of an AKC registered GSD to compete.  You can read all about it here: Tina was a fanatic about preserving the purity of her bloodline. Otherwise they WOULD be nothing but GSD mixes.
 http://www.shilohshepherds.info/arbaStory.htm

Sunsilver, it's Joanne Chanyi. :) All three of our dogs have Hoofprint in their pedigrees, I'm definitely a fan.
Orbit produced some nice dogs. An SAR/Cadaver dog, a drug detection dog (Buffalo Police Dept.) and a trained hearing dog just to name a few. I can see why Tina used him in her breeding program.


 

Hell, who would have known we have all these connoisseurs of this breed that never was? You'd think that if this was in fact such an amazing dog that they would be off creating their own forums and working to make this dog an actual breed. The sad fact is that it's not really an amazing breed at all, that's why they are still here in the German Shepherd dog forums. For some reason though, they feel as perhaps they are going to "sell" the idea here...wrong. No one here but a few alts and confused people are buying what you're selling, not even the UKC or AKC.