Must be clear in head - Page 3

Very Nice pictures realcold. You all must really enjoy training considering your still doing it with all that "white" stuff around. Best of Luck to you, Pino and Greif and your entire club next year. I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Successful New Year. Know that someone on the other side of the pond is rooting for the Thunder Bay Club. Best Wishes from Me and My family. Paul

I'll never complain about training in 30-40 degree temperature again.

the owner and handler of those high bite dogs often have done some aggitation somewhere else before they get involved with the sport and think its macho to have a dog that goes crazy. I agree the owner can send a bad ora to the dog and then the trainer has to figure out how to train thru it. If only owners would listen to only the experienced trainer on the field not at the police station, or the neighbor down the road tha use to train in the army~~~~!!!!!!!!

Excuse me but these are very young dogs who were trained properly. Dogs must come out and start the action. These dogs have been taken to this level by allowing them to work within their capabilities and then and only then slowly pushing the level up. By the way two of these dogs are sch3. So YRT if you can't understand it I guess you may as well knock it.

I wasnt talking about whoever ask the question I was speaking of those people who bring dogs to the club and get started and never tell anyone someone else has agitated the dogs, Ecsuse me for not knowing the dogs were already titled. I read what 1doggie2 said about explosive owners and that was what i was referring to, of course, a titled dog in a club u all know and they have moods and off periods and I wasnt talking about dogs already titled, about the many dogs going over the top that are young and now in the club , Ive seen many of them come in an the owner hasnt been trained or doesnt know . That is why hes there we hope, to get his dog undercontroll under the guide of a club trainer with the help of the club members who may have had a dog like that. The trainer will bring that dog out properly and teach the owner , handler......

yellowrose is on the right track, This dog was not titled, the owner was into the "agitated dog" wihtout understanding the control part. The dog was into cheap shots and if you were standing next to him, he had bitten a few of us, or if you were standing around off the field when he worked the blind. I think in different hands, he could have been a good dog. It was like the dog understood the owner did not care how or when or who, just bite. This dog would never be titled he would never pass the temperment. In this case the owner was the nut case and projected his personality onto the dog.

Dogs are smart and if you don't control them will take advantage of any situation or trainer. Most of the time if they get away with it early in training it will only get worse. In the above you have a major problem and a dangerous dog. IMO..these are the pitbull types(sorry to a responsible PB owner) who want the meanest toughest dog and get a macho rush by their dog being dangerous to other's. If you can't control don't have them..

Who would train with people like that. You are known by who you hang and train with. We have learned to put the run on these type of people. We have a 6 month probationary period and then a vote with the black ball rule applying. 1 person voting against and your gone for good. New prospects know this up front and yes some run but those that stay get with our training philosophy and that tends to minimize club tension. Oh ya it also helps to be 400 miles from any other clubs. Gotta go and watch team Canada JR.S beat up on team U.S.A. Have a safe and happy holiday eh.

Who would train with people like that. That is how I felt. But the trainer felt he could get the dog under control. He was most interested in keeping the dog off the 6 o'clock news, he felt it was bad for the breed and the sport. I understood his motives about the dog, but the owner was another issue. I have no idea how this turned out.

Some dogs just need to grow up in the head. Others need a more direct "wake up call." I have both. My young dog, Bijou, (linebred Harro) is the former. At 2 he is finally starting to settle down and focus. Lucky for me I had already had such a dog before and recognized the issue. I took him to Dean Calderon for a second opinion and he agreed: "Put him up. Bring him out and try him every month or two till you see the picture we want." Patience is finally paying off. Had I rushed him I have no doubt I would have nothing but an idiot now instead of a nice young dog I won't title till perhaps three years old because I'm just starting his formal training (except tracking, started at 12 weeks). I also have the balls-to-the-wall female who unloaded on me for awhile. ("OUCH! Dammit!") She needed some strong correction for biting me on the way to the helper, but, happily, she's all straightened out now and turning into a really nice working bitch in all three phases. There is no ONE WAY to train all dogs. That's what keeps it interesting ;) Shelley