OK help me evaluate this bitch - Page 3

Guddu, The paternal grandmother of your pup (Holy) was supposed to be a hard, genetically civil bitch....based on feedback I heard from people who purchased her.  As hard as they come !

Gustav I just knew you'd trivialise it   LoL
Seriously -  ppl moan about Judges, for example;  but
if they displayed the commitment that Slam clearly
does (as translated by Kim) they would see that sometimes
the judge has picked up on something about the dog that
everyone around the outside of the ring is missing, or about
the skills [or not] of the Handler.  Talking about UK shows
here of course, wouldn't dream of applying it to AKC etc 

Thats why I thought you'd all be surprised, of course.
It is probably equally true of Agility, Rally, Flyball, Terrier Scurries,
Lure Racing for Afghans or Whippets ...

Pet owners (and pro Dog-Walkers) could usefully apply their
attention much better to dogs body language, in their care;  
there is much to be learned,  that gets ignored.

Ppl just DON'T 'look' properly ... their conversations (and
calls and texts) about human things are always more
entertaining and important to them.  

Hundmutter, I fully understand what you meant...lol, I still think it is apples and oranges...the OP wanted a dog read,....in the show ring the judge is reading the presentation of a dog. If your point is somebody should be quiet while they both are reading.....well I guess you could equate the two. Not trying to trivialize but I see a difference in learning the inside of a dog that requires active involvement, and learning from the external presentation of a dog. Nevertheless, I see the merit of your point..

I can see HMs point in that you can learn about structure from listening to the critique from the judge.  When the judge explains the his view on the "croup" or the forearm could be longer people can get a visual image.    But, as always I do agree with Cliff that you learn by working dogs and 

PITA posting from my IPhone.   

Hundmutter and Slam....your point is well taken in terms of learning from what the judge says.

OK -  so you guys think dogs in the showring don't "talk" with their bodies ?
You could read nothing from eye rolling, ear movements, muscle twitches,
about a dogs true temperament,  or how the dog is feeling about
the process of being shown ?     Okay.  Sorry I spoke.

Hund,
Sure you can see things from the way the dog presents itself in the ring.  How it reacts to the crowd, how it handles being stacked, handled by the judge, trotted around the ring.  But I can tell a whole lot more by seeing the dog do OB and bite work.  I can tell even more if I can work the dog and "test" it the way I like.  

 Of course you can - my point with Shows is that a heck of a lot
of ppl there don't even seem to 'get' those basics, cos they don't
pay attention.  They'd rather moan about a judges decision than
think about whether their dog really wants to be there or not.
Some dogs enjoy showing, enjoy running around in ovals, being
handled by all sorts of folk they don't really know.  Some of those
win consistently - particularly if they have owners and handlers
who are 'tuned in' to them.  I just end up feeling sorry for some of
the others.  Just as I would a dog on a Track or in bitework, if I
'read' it as not really being keen on what it was being asked to do. 

A lot of that is training and ring conditioning.