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by Slamdunc on 12 November 2012 - 00:11
Thomas,
It's not just a theory if you actually go out and do it. Sure, many dogs do better on IPO 1 tracks then IPO 2 and 3 tracks. The 1 is an easy track and laid by the handler, it doesn't get much easier than that. The 2 is laid by someone else and that is where the handler's anxiety comes in and translates to the dog. Obviously, you know this. An IPO 2 track is in reality a very easy track for a dog also.
I was offering techniques for teaching the dog problem solving skills that are a vital component to creating a successful tracking, high scoring dog dog. I would say that the most people in SchH spend a vast majority of their training time on Obedience and bite work and considerably less time on tracking. That has been my experience being in SchH and watching lots of people train and trial. Those that spend time on tracking and prepare their dog to work the track out on it's own seem to fair better. There is only so much help a handler can do on a SchH track, the dog needs to be calm, motivated, focused and have the skills to work out difficult tracks on it's own. The only way a dog can achieve this is by properly constructed tracks that build on each other and by doing lots of tracks.
It's not that I disagree with you as I don't. I just don't think it is as simple as having strangers lay the tracks.
It's not just a theory if you actually go out and do it. Sure, many dogs do better on IPO 1 tracks then IPO 2 and 3 tracks. The 1 is an easy track and laid by the handler, it doesn't get much easier than that. The 2 is laid by someone else and that is where the handler's anxiety comes in and translates to the dog. Obviously, you know this. An IPO 2 track is in reality a very easy track for a dog also.
I was offering techniques for teaching the dog problem solving skills that are a vital component to creating a successful tracking, high scoring dog dog. I would say that the most people in SchH spend a vast majority of their training time on Obedience and bite work and considerably less time on tracking. That has been my experience being in SchH and watching lots of people train and trial. Those that spend time on tracking and prepare their dog to work the track out on it's own seem to fair better. There is only so much help a handler can do on a SchH track, the dog needs to be calm, motivated, focused and have the skills to work out difficult tracks on it's own. The only way a dog can achieve this is by properly constructed tracks that build on each other and by doing lots of tracks.
It's not that I disagree with you as I don't. I just don't think it is as simple as having strangers lay the tracks.
by GSDPACK on 12 November 2012 - 00:11
This is all sorts of thigs you can do:
1. run a female in heat on a field and track on the same field few hours later
2. Feed your dog a full on breakfast (happened to me before when my dog got into the food right before the trial track)
3. have the helper follow you (with the sleeve)
4. run your dog ona field full of goose poop.
5. put a track on a field that you know will be wattered soon and return in about an hour....(in snohomish It rained on my track (knee to weist high) for three hours....he got 60 and airsented the whole thing) that was repeat FH
6. find a pretty crappy field and run him on it..... happened to me in Carson City, that was one shitty field! He still finished it.
7. run your dog in about 30 mile gust winds...on dirt and do it agains the wind..... not the whole time, it is hard.
Those are some ideas. I do them all. It is gusty here in the spring, hotter than hell in summer, nasty frozen slush in winter and goose shit ....tought them not to quit but to work through it.
In carson city I screamed twice as I slipped, people told me they did not believe the dog, checked on me.. you know he was concerned and then went on the track again... that is normal as I vocalize when I slip so my dogs are used to me... So I guess that is just a normal thing.
Train for shitty surface, kids, cows (Montana for me for my FH2), and a helper laying your track also.. happened in regionals and couple dogs has a hard time focusing on the track as they did a bite work on the same guy the previous day.
1. run a female in heat on a field and track on the same field few hours later
2. Feed your dog a full on breakfast (happened to me before when my dog got into the food right before the trial track)
3. have the helper follow you (with the sleeve)
4. run your dog ona field full of goose poop.
5. put a track on a field that you know will be wattered soon and return in about an hour....(in snohomish It rained on my track (knee to weist high) for three hours....he got 60 and airsented the whole thing) that was repeat FH
6. find a pretty crappy field and run him on it..... happened to me in Carson City, that was one shitty field! He still finished it.
7. run your dog in about 30 mile gust winds...on dirt and do it agains the wind..... not the whole time, it is hard.
Those are some ideas. I do them all. It is gusty here in the spring, hotter than hell in summer, nasty frozen slush in winter and goose shit ....tought them not to quit but to work through it.
In carson city I screamed twice as I slipped, people told me they did not believe the dog, checked on me.. you know he was concerned and then went on the track again... that is normal as I vocalize when I slip so my dogs are used to me... So I guess that is just a normal thing.
Train for shitty surface, kids, cows (Montana for me for my FH2), and a helper laying your track also.. happened in regionals and couple dogs has a hard time focusing on the track as they did a bite work on the same guy the previous day.
by GSDNewbie on 12 November 2012 - 01:11
You are not making excuses for why you are not out there with your dog, working your own animal. That is not a fail it is just a setback. Good luck on the next run and happy training.
by workingdogz on 12 November 2012 - 12:11
Nadeem, it's only failure if you don't learn from it 
Major props for just getting out there and trying!
Anyone who has ever trialled a dog in any arena
has had a similar experience, in fact, there was a
t-shirt being sold years back that said,
'My dog has never done that before...'
Good advice given by many on here, get out, put
loads of miles on him tracking in all sorts of crap
and all sorts of environments. Teach the dog how
to problem solve as Slam suggested, that way,
when he loses the track, he'll be able to work it
out and find it again, not stress and quit etc.
Get as many miles on him now before the snow
flies as you can, track daily if possible.
Congrats for trying!
It's certainly not as 'easy' as those that spout that
'titles don't mean a thing' let on is it?
Major props for just getting out there and trying!
Anyone who has ever trialled a dog in any arena
has had a similar experience, in fact, there was a
t-shirt being sold years back that said,
'My dog has never done that before...'
Good advice given by many on here, get out, put
loads of miles on him tracking in all sorts of crap
and all sorts of environments. Teach the dog how
to problem solve as Slam suggested, that way,
when he loses the track, he'll be able to work it
out and find it again, not stress and quit etc.
Get as many miles on him now before the snow
flies as you can, track daily if possible.
Congrats for trying!
It's certainly not as 'easy' as those that spout that
'titles don't mean a thing' let on is it?
by isachev on 12 November 2012 - 14:11
Nadeem. You have worked so hard at this sport and have been a great inspiration to me every week. The minute Bravo heard your daughter it was curtains. That was a drag! Surely wouldn't call it defeat. You know he's a tracker!!! You got some great advice on how to improve, what is already a good tracking boy. Willie gave us some good pointers as well. Keep up the great work! See you soon
Take Care
Take Care
by Sheesh on 12 November 2012 - 14:11
Nadeem,
Congratulations to you for being out there. I know it is not easy to accept defeat gracefully, as you certainly have. Not only that, but you shared your experience with others and in turn received some fantastic tips. Kudos to you, and I look forward to hearing about more trophies next year from you!
P.S. I LOVE tracking in the winter! I can SEE the track myself! YAY!
Theresa
Congratulations to you for being out there. I know it is not easy to accept defeat gracefully, as you certainly have. Not only that, but you shared your experience with others and in turn received some fantastic tips. Kudos to you, and I look forward to hearing about more trophies next year from you!
P.S. I LOVE tracking in the winter! I can SEE the track myself! YAY!
Theresa
by Nadeem6 on 12 November 2012 - 20:11
Yes thank you all for the great encouragement!
I got some super ideas from Jim and GSDPack to try out. Almost glad i failed tracking cause i have so many new ideas i can try out now..............Almost glad! lol.
Thought i had all the bases covered for the trial, just forgot the family part of the equation, that issue will be taken care of though. He will get used to little kids playing and yelling while tracking.
I got some super ideas from Jim and GSDPack to try out. Almost glad i failed tracking cause i have so many new ideas i can try out now..............Almost glad! lol.
Thought i had all the bases covered for the trial, just forgot the family part of the equation, that issue will be taken care of though. He will get used to little kids playing and yelling while tracking.
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