Von Hayden drama - Page 3

If it were me, I would try to keep him longer and work with him. He sounds like a dog who is stressed, not necessarily a bad dog. As for the teeth and age, you cannot always go by the teeth to give an accurate idea of age. Diet and environment can play a role in that. I have seen dogs who I know are younger, but their teeth are horrendous. 

Posts like this just make me crazy and one of the reasons I got out of rescue. You bought the dog I'm guessing off the net and never went to see the dog. A week and a half is NOT enough time to make a fair assessment. I think the fact that she gave you back your money was nice.

I would ask what did YOU do to acclimate the dog to his new home? Or like many of the people who wanted to adopt from me, wanted a dog to just fit in. A plug and play if you will. The poor dog. Hope he does better the second time around.

Why is it a poor dog. It went right back into the home it came out of. How does that make it a poor dog or the OP some kind of ogre for deciding she and the dog were not compatible. And compatibility is very important in any relationship, especially if one party is completely dependent on the other.

I congratulate the OP for recognizing she could not cope with the dogs behavior and the seller for the refund.

jmo,
Rik

Ric,

You are absolutely correct.  In the end the dog is better off. 

I still haven't seen any pictures or videos of said dog's condition. Whether or not "this is not the first time", yada yada yada. Proof is proof. Unless any of you have seen it YOURSELF, it is all hearsay, period. Could any of you who have spoken badly of said Breeder stand up in court based on the OP post? No, then again it's hearsay. I'm just say'n...

I would just like to add that it doesn’t sound as if you are really prepared to bring a new dog into your home just yet.  Especially an older dog that is pretty much set in his ways.  As the other posters have pointed out, acclimating an older dog into your new home takes time.  You have to be committed to this from the start and prepared for it.  A nice outdoor kennel would have gone a long way in making this transition much smoother for you, your family and the dog.  Especially since the dog was purchased sight unseen.

As far as the cost is concerned, you might as well chalk that up to money well spent as you’ve learned a very valuable lesson you needed to learn.  I applaud both parties in this case as both of you are clearly putting the dog’s interest first while reversing this transaction.  This could have easily gone the other way and turned out much worse (and costly).

I'm with ShellyR. 

"I don't know how long you had the dog, and I am not convinced there was anything wrong with the dog, just from what you have posted here. I'm guessing you and your family may not have handled the dog's transition into a new home environment appropriately, perhaps from lack of knowledge and experience. It doesn't sound like you have much patience and there is no such thing as an automatic-install program for a live animal."

When I first got Zuni out of Holland, he was three (they'd told me 1.5) 

I purchased a fully trained personal green protection dog.  NO 1.5 yr old dog i now know could do that knowing what i know now.  Anyway,  for SIX weeks we worked on bonding process.  

He arrived and I thought the broker had misrepresented him.  I was contemplating sending him back for a few days, but he was ok on our walks and good with my two dogs.   IT was ME who didn't know what she was doing.  I, however, asked for help from people and finally a search and rescue trainer showed up and Zuni LIT UP.  I was offended...  

He quickly explained to me that Zuni was trained by a man, that was nr 1.   Then he took him outside and started a training routine and Zuni, sat, downed, heeled and FOCUSED like unbelievable. & i may add in english, Zuni was trained in CZECH yet still understood it as the trainer was also using sign language.   He finished it up with some awesome ball retrieve - distant downs - and tug of war.  Yet,  He wouldn't even sit for me...

the trainer said to me: "YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, you have to relax and let the dog get used to this land of manana.  This dog knows you're nervous about him and he needs to know he's secure in this new home.  He was clearly kennel raised and not used to doing whatever he wants to.  He needs YOUR guidance, so lead him, be his kind alpha and let him know he's going to be fine, you two are going to be fine" 

I sighed relaxed and have never have known a better dog in my life...  but it took six weeks for ME to get him...

http://noltevonderwienerau.com

i feel so bad for a 5 year old dog that clearly is not getting the exercise and personal care he needs from this buyer.   A dog needs walks with his new pack.  NOT a crate!!! or confinement.   He needs to be walked walked walked until you drop.  He needs that because walking is hunting to them and hunting they only do with their pack, THUS walking is BONDING!!! 

I wish this poster would realize that SHE is the problem and she should not return a 5 yr old dog to a situation not suitable for the dog, an even more stressful situation.  

IF this dog was recently neutered and then shipped out, he was also traumatized before shipping. Who knows IF this dog ever was on an airplane?  another trauma.  Then lands in a new home with a nincompoop owner like i once was with Zuni. 

But I hung in there, i got help, and I got the most incredible dog a person could ever hope to have. 
Zuni was 100% reliable in every situation, there can only be one Zuni... ♥  sure, i'm biased, but
I wish the poster would do the right thing and give the dog a chance

I'm not saying who is right or wrong here, as it's been pointed out we only have 1/2 the story and the breeder did hold up their end of the bargain, they refunded the money.


From the original post:

"What I got was a 69 pound neutered male who's teeth were completely covered in tartar and were green, black, and gray, his canines are worn flat on the tops and are stained brwon in the center our vet gave us an estimate on the procedure he feels would best adress this for $1200-$1300, he spins, paces and defecates in the house, can't leave him in a crate because all he does is spin, pant and poop and then spins in that. Can't leave him in a gated kitchen because he gets up on the counters and tears up anything he can get his mouth on or constantly paces and poops. He is not good with my old dog and because he has been so grossly misrepresented I do not want him around my child."


This does not sound like a family companion dog.

And this was the Original Posters Question:


"Breeder has conceited a refund of purchase price only and wants me to pay additional shipping to send dog back to her...Is this common practice, I would have NEVER purchased this dog that was sent to me so why should I pay to send him back and shouldn't I be entitled to my shipping costs to be refunded as well?
this SUCKS for me and theis poor DOG who is not at all to blame, but obviously not a family pet."


Was paying return shipping  common practice?  This is something that can take people by surprise the first time. 

For the life of me I do not know why breeders sell adult dogs sight unseen to the buyer and why buyer's buy them unless there is an existing strong relationship between the two.  For someone looking for a companion dog there should be plenty of well bred choices with in a day's drive in this country.

Less shipping in this country would be a good thing in my humble opinion.  I think both breeders and buyers need to take a step back and ask why they are buying an adult dog sight unseen or why they are shipping an adult dog to someone that they really know nothing about....  I'm not advocating no shipping but I think everyone would be better off if we did not ship quite so fast....

Well-said Kerschberger.
I would also suggest the OP find a new vet. I don't know what the one they have wanted to do to the dog's teeth for $1200+, when a simple cleaning sounds like all it needed, but I've had quite a bit of dental work performed on dogs over the years, and that figure seems exhorbitant to me.

 Betty, Rik.

The dog  was not as originally described, so the OP has every reason to be upset.  Sure he got his money back, (well woo hoo ), but because the seller wasn't honest in describing the said dog in the first place, he is out a lot of shippping money.  No biggy to those of you ( breeders mostly, no big surprise) who have not had to deal with the spinning and clean up the mess or are out a grand or two.

Lesson learned.  Do not buy site unseen, unless you are sure you can trust the breeder.