Breed Average? - Page 3

I have listened and i am taking it all in and i wouldn't go against your sound advice, so please don't be harsh with me, but i had my hope built up by my breeder and she is pestering me to have a litter. I did truly want to, and had her hip scored and would have enjoyed the time with the puppies but i now understand what you are telling me and i won't just do it cos she's hip scored. i will book her into being spayed. I still have some questions running around in my head, maybe i'll ask them when i get over the disappointment. I see loads of litters in our pink paper and they seem to sell them ok. Please don't think i wanted money for her i have money in my own right it was for the pure pleasure and experience. I only wanted one litter as some say that a bitch deserves a litter. Please don't shout at me again that wasn't my words. I feel a little helpless. Thank you for all your views and comments.
 
Can i ask Videx why they don't respond and help people but they look? Sorry if i sound rude but i am hurt that you won't help me when you seem to know so much, have i offended you?

Doris 

David won't answer your questions on here because for all he knows you could just be here to stir up trouble.

This is the problem with this board, genuine people now get tarred with the same brush as those the make up new accounts and then start off by throwing in the bait wait ing for certain people to bite then, they come back on another account and start picking holes in the answers given or use the answers to start trash talking certain people.

If you are genuine enough, you could visits Davids website or even email him and i'm sure he may answer your queries but i highly doubt he will ever answer you or anyone else on here anymore.

One thing I would add, if anyone asks me to recommend a GSD breeder or litter, the first thing I tell them is to go to a breeder/litter that has low hip scores.  I am sure if you were to look for another dog for yourself you would be doing the same, and going for one that has low scoring parents.  Therefore, why should anyone who wants a puppy buy one from your litter if the mother has a higher than average score?  Not only could you end up being sued if any pup ended up with HD, the owners could find difficulty getting the dog insured or claiming if there was a problem.

Also if you were unlucky and bred pups with bad hips who is to say the new owners would not then breed from them and be less fussy about the dog/bitch they mated it to - this could perpetuate the problem for future generations.

My pug mentor back 20 years ago took me under her wing and taught me the ropes if you will on showing and breeding quality pups. In my litters I was maybe lucky to sell 1-2 as show dogs and the rest to pet homes with spay/nueter contracts. I have in my time only had to rescue 3 luckily and so far I helped place about 15 into new pet homes. Its a tedious job keeping track of all puppy buyers and making sure they are cared for. I had my last litter 2 years ago and because of the health issues plaging pugs and lack of good quality homes and having to euthanize a 6 week old baby pug it left me dead inside and just overwhelmed. Puppies of any breed can have something go horribly wrong and to this day i still ache over that baby. Having to tube feed him every 2 hours round the clock and being so attac hed and bonded to him ( he had a super tiny cleft in his soft pallete that the vet said he could suckle but still needed tube feeding) but then he was also diagnosed with water on the brain and he was just suffering. Would you be willing to do that ? Raising pups isnt for the faint of heart as I have experienced and that is why I quit doing it. I currently have my 4 pugs and 1 shepherd. My goals now have changed and I and heidi are training for scutzhund as thats the direction I want to go into. Also get her into therapy work. Maybe4 thats something your girl would excell at. As far as your breeder almost insisting on you breeding her that alone would make me very wary and uneasy. My mentor never forced like that and she always left me to make the ultimate descision on my dog. One other thing..... right before my last litter I owed my vet 0 dollars. Two weeks into the puppies lives my bill jumped to 2000.00 and I almost lost my bitch twice. Once to a serious mastitous infection and the other to a bad utering infectine. That was very scary and it really opened my eyes to the real dangers.

Cathy :D

Thank you so much for all your replies and advice. i have taken it all on board and although i feel quite down i have been sensible and i have booked Lexi into with my vet on Friday. I think that the breeder may turn on me but it is my decision based on your advice. My only niggle on her sending me here is why she did in the first place. If she gets upset about these replies then she only has her self to blame. I asked a question and didn't expect those replies as she had really lead me to believe that 26 was fine and i genuinely believed her as usually an average of something is exactly that, an average, but in this case an average means that's it nothing over it. I am also glad to hear of what really can go wrong, i am not naive but i was only thinking of the positive things, it never crossed my mind about loosing her. That's a risk i won't take and i will leave it to the professionals. I am disappointed and a little confused at her actions and i will have to deal with that later, alhtough she may be reading thes pages. I wonder if she was testing your replies? Who knows but i have made my decision. Thank you to everyone for your help.

Doris

Doris,you,re a star and clearly think more of your girl than the dosh she could bring in.you have asked questions,listened to wot ppl.have advised and have made the right decision.your girl is one lucky girl to have such a considerate owner.wish the ppl.i used to rent a property from had been like yu.they mated all 4 of their bitches(2 jack russell terriers to a shitzu,a shitzu and a gsd)they had no clue how long the pregnancy would last,expected the bitches to whelp on their own in cold stone built stables with no bedding etc.oh.sorry they also mated a whippet too.the only one i didnt have to assist tho.i did spend the nite observing the birth,was the whippet,she did it all herself.the others well all the pups would probably have died and maybe the dams.the owners thought that it would cost much to rear them as they were little.expected the dams to feed them for at least 5-6 wks.and then they could be sold.mating was chuck the male in for 7days and let them get on with it.After the gsd,s 1st litter they were planning her next litter to a samoyd..these ppl.scanned the free ads papers for more bitches.all the bitches were to be mated again at their next season.the ladys mother proudly told me she,d been lucky that year as her 2 shitzu bitches had,had 3 litters that year.they even mated an 8 month old shitzu back to its sire.would you have liked this to happen to one of your puppies.you may feel that you wouldnt sell a puppy to these ppl.but believe me the lady could lie for england.i for one do not intend breeding from my next gsd,i,m only buying her for showing.there are too many dogs of all breeds in rescue.sorry to go on folks.Carole S.

by Dale M on 23 August 2010 - 18:08


If you are genuine enough, you could visits Davids website or even email him and i'm sure he may answer your queries

Really? 

But i highly doubt he will ever answer you or anyone else on here anymore. 

I wonder why this is.


 

Yes Spooks he probably would answer my queries because he knows who i am.


You have just proved my point when someone mentions David or his affix.

@ Dale M

You have just proved to me that it's who you know and not what you know regarding to Mr Payne. He wouldn't speak to me civilly years ago and just brushed my concerns aside, talking to me as if I was an idiot and I don't see him being any better now TBH, unless he has mellowed considerably... but stranger things have happened. 

I just find remarks like yours saying 'you are sure he will answer any queries' rather ambiguous especially when you go on to say 'he would probably answer your queries because he knows you'

Just making people aware of what one could expect if they contacted Mr Payne.