Do breeders want the puppies that they place titled? - Page 3

I am most proud to see the dog that is part of the family.  The one the kids couldn't  imagine life without and the owner that appreciates the loyal companion I've been able to provide for them.  Most of my puppies do go to working homes of some sort but the majority if not all I consider active companion homes because these individuals just enjoy getting out there with their dog and doing something they both love.  With the exception of a very few, most are not die hard serious competitors and are just happy to achieve a SCH I.  For most, that in itself is a HUGE accomplishment given the time and money involved to get there.

Yes, if that was the intention of the buyer when they purchased a pup.  A good home, that's the responsibility of the breeder during the placement phase, and should be a requirement for all pups that are placed.  But when someone goes to a breeder and says they want a pup to compete at a high level with, or title in 3 venues with, or whatever and the breeder places a pup with them that has the potential to do all those things, only to see that pup "disappear" because the buyer decided it's to hard, or they aren't interested anymore, or they lied and never planned to do anything with the dog but wanted "the best" or "first pick", then yes, I think the breeder will be disappointed.  After all, they might have a different pup they could have placed in that home, and the potential star pup could have gone to someone that would actually utilize it's potential.

Personaly I wouldn't place a pup with huge working potential in an active pet home. I try to find working homes for these dogs, but I don't care if the dogs going to do sport and achieve a title. Dogs with less drive and good nerves should be placed in pet homes IMO.

jenni78,was not advertiseing merely answering the thread as all the others.i love my dogs and am very proud of what we produce here.if youn see anything wrong with that please let me know.

So let me understand this:

You breed a litter and all you thrive on is a loving home. icing on a cake is the title. So actually you all breed are pets! Right? How many of you kept your own dogs back and put a title on the dog? unless some of you have done that.. than how do you know you breed a working dog? How can you say: this dog works! Because let me tell you there are fabulous dogs that produce some crappy offspring...

Pack


Icing on the cace is when a pet quality dog I bred gets a title.. that is icing to me!

 Pack, I have some respect for you, and I know we have somewhat of a language barrier, so let me phrase my question carefully. 

Do you mean to say that the only judgement of a working dog is a few letters at the end of its name?!

If so, I can show you a dozen piece of crap dogs that fit that bill, and they are, IMO, why sports are getting a bad name with a lot of people. A good handler/trainer can mask many temperamental flaws. We can all name "top" dogs that absolutely were not worthy of the food they were given. 

It's gotten bad enough now that a SchH title means nothing to me until I meet the dog. It doesn't mean a thing in terms of a minimum standard of stability or temperament. People brag about the crappy dogs they titled. Great for them; it's hard work to title any dog, especially a crappy one, but how about all the people who think a title implies breedworthiness???? Then where do we end up????

Just to be honest, I haven't found a single sport/WL breeder who holds their dogs and their temperament to the same standard I do. I'm sure they're out there; I just haven't met them.  That's not meant in a conceited way, I just mean that what I want in a dog and what I demand as a bare minimum to own it, let alone breed it is vastly different than what someone else considers the bare minimum. 

I have been quite disappointed to meet some of the "big name" kennels' dogs; it's like if a dog has a certain name attached to it, it's automatically a good dog, or the breeder is so well-known that it's just assumed their dogs are solid and strong. It is appalling to me what people try to pass off as a "good" dog. Either people are liars or they truly are lowering the bar below what I even realized. 

I'm continually shocked at what I see being bred by people with good reputations. I am told I'm too picky, I'll never make any money, my expectations are unrealistic, blah blah blah, etc. etc. But I don't care; I don't breed to get rich, and I certainly don't breed to make friends. If someone is not what I want for my dogs, they don't get them, regardless of what they offer. I turned down a pretty big name for a dog a few months ago. I was told I was an idiot for missing out on all the notoriety that would come when my pup won Nationals, as this person has done. I couldn't care less. If that had been a good home and he went that far, I'd be proud of him, but to put him in a home I consider less than what he deserves just so people learn my name and that I breed good SchH dogs was simply not an option for me. 

Pack, as to your question about how do we know we're producing working dogs, I don't consider a sport dog a working dog. Sorry. I know that pisses people off, but really, sport is a game; work is work. Not the same objective, not the same training, not the same requirements in temperament, stabiltiy, etc. By making such statements about titles, you are eliminating the true WORKING DOGS, which IMO, are what the GSD was intended to be. 

I'm done rambling now...but I hope I elaborated a bit on why I feel that way. 

Sable, I couldn't care less what you do or how many times you put your kennel name in your posts. I just thought I'd make a suggestion to save you the time. Add a link, rather than bring the kennel name into every post. That's all.............

 Copied from the breeders website I purchased my pup from 

We also offer money back to those people that buy 8 week old puppies and title them.
$50.00 refund if your puppy receives its CD title
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$50.00 refund if your puppy receives its AGILITY title
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$100.00 refund if your puppy receives its Schutzhund 1 title
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$100.00 refund if your puppy receives its Police Dog certificate
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Nope, I dont

but how do you know that you breed working dogs if you/or buyers dont even put a "sporty" schutz title. Yes Shutz is sport but have you realy titled a civil dog to high points..it is freacking hard! Adn you get who parts in 90ties and that sucker wont out!
If one cant read a dog on the field, that is their problem. I read the dog I dont look at the result as a whole. I look at the dog. I meet a lot of good dogs and they all have Sch3 titles.. I will not even look at a dog without one unless it is a Cop dog.. and even then I ask the cop how come he did not even put a shitty title on his superdog.

BTW my dog is PPD trained, he bites anything including finished muzzle work, he is not a high scoring dog but he can do the job, because I found the time to teach him... He searches two story buildings (with warehouse) and the areal searched are of the size of a soccer field without my assistance (it is good for him) He is not a service dog, but I find him a job even if it is just a "sporty" sch3 title..
you have probably tieled your dogs under the wrong judges.. I like PSAbut here where I live it is hard but I have to travel for Schutz to WA, so California is not too far for PSA. (like 15 hours!)  I try to find the good in Schutzhund, I like to have my dog's hard work and mine, recognized. I like to say, he just tracked 3 miles through 3 different surfaces and crossed a creek.. that can not be manipulated..that is pure genetics accompanied with hard work!

So I will continue to hold my dogs back, will continue to place my dogs with working homes and will continue look at the Sch3 as a minimum for breeding in males. I will continue meeting the males and asking the owners to let my helper give the dog a bite, or two..because I suggest the breeders interrested in breeding the females to my male to see what a dick my dog can be! They have open door to the training sessions. good or bad days! LOL

Jenni,

I don't think being to picky is a bad thing, but it is difficult to find the perfect dog. Always striving to produce as close to perfect should be every breeders goal. Big kennels that have high demand need to fill orders, so maybe this is why borderline dogs get bred.

 How does your criteria for selecting breed worthy dogs make you stand out above other breeders? What are you seeing in other programs that shocks you?