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by Czech DDR Lover on 06 November 2010 - 02:11


Very well stated Vommysticalhaus...
and I couldn't agree with you more on the points you make.

I also guarantee both my pet and working pups...but there are also some requirements that the buyers must uphold as well, and these are very specifically spelled out in their contracts so there are no surprises, and they know exactly what the guarantee covers and expects from BOTH parties, Seller...AND BUYER. 

There are no ACCIDENTAL breedings in the vocabulary of a responsible dog owner. 

If by some stroke of lightening one does occur, especially as did above,  where you state the owner of this young female knew fully that a tie had occurred at the time, then he should have done the responsible thing and gotten her right to the vet to have a shot given her, which would prevent conception, aong with letting the breeder know what had just occurred, if for no other reason than to be honest and to keep their breeder informed, and to let her know that the responsible and more beneficial route was followed through on by them, in the interest of the young female. 

That would have been far better for everyone concerned, the dog would not have been affected by having been forced to carry an "unwanted and unplanned" litter, and thus, if pups had not resulted from a one time, accidental tie, then the question of whether this early breeding and being forced to carry a pregnancy caused a problem with the hips not passing would not have come into play as pertains to the contract.   And, They would be within their rights asking for a replacement to be made.  

 


by hexe on 06 November 2010 - 03:11

First off, if the buyer's 8 year old son has not been taught not to let dogs out of kennels unless directed to by a parent, then that's on the buyer, not the breeder. 8 years old is plenty old enough to understand such a directive and to be expected to follow it without question.

Second, why on earth should the breeder help out with spay expenses? Buyer realized 'bonus' income from the sale of the pups from the 'accidental' breeding; that ought to cover the cost of the spay. 

Third, everybody's got a sad tale of woe to tell when they're trying to get something they're not entitled to, or do something they aren't supposed to be doing. 

And fourth, I don't believe in guarantees or warranties on living creatures, because it's not possible for a breeder to guarantee anything beyond the fact that the animal you're buying is what it's being represented to be (in this case, a purebred, registered German Shepherd Dog female, by  Sire X out of Dam Y.  If the breeder does all of the health screenings, certifications and verifications applicable to the breed, they've done as much as is humanly possible to try and tilt the table towards puppies being born that will be sound of body and mind.  Guarantees are useless, IMO, and do nothing more than serve to reduce living creatures to manufactured products, and to encourage buyers to view those living creatures as products.

by Czech DDR Lover on 06 November 2010 - 06:11


I agree Hexe...

A guarantee is an offer of good faith;  In Part, for full registration ours states that if the dog's ears don't stand, teeth don't develope according to the SV standard, and/or that in males both testicles don't descend as we anticipate them to do, as well as stating that the dog's hips shall pass with OFA Fair minimum or SV equivalent A3 or better, then a replacement pup will be awarded, provided requirements set forth in the contract to the buyer are also performed according to the contract and are in compliance.  This would include the clause that states the dog is not to bred before age 24 months, and if it is, the contract is void...and it also stipulates that the dog must be xrayed at 12-15 months, which will give us a very good indication as to the genetic nature of the hips prior to having been put into active and sometimes heavy training...for hips, we offer the client the option of sending films to the SV, which will rate the dog's hips and elbows after 12 months of age.  Often the dog is not fully mature by this age, so when that is the case, we do require that the dog be rexrayed at 24-26 months.   This is written in the contract so again...no surprises for the client as to what is expected.

If using OFA, the dog must be xrayed again for certification between 24-26 months of age.

We're not saying that we guarantee the dog will develope without a possibility of these problems occurring...we're saying that if the dog does not develope according to the above stipulations, as we believe it should, then a replacement is due the buyer if he has upheld his end of the contract, for equal value of his purchase price paid for the dog.


VomMysticalHaus

by VomMysticalHaus on 06 November 2010 - 15:11

Hexe and Czech DDR Lover - I agree with you both.  I am a firm believer that if a client follows the contract you follow it as well. It is really there more for the dog's protection than anything else.

His lies do not add up and something just does not jive with his poor pitiful me story.

More proof -

This week:
Jennifer, I have looked at your web site and noticed you have some older black females for sale. Maybe we can work something out on one of them. I want something that has nice drives, confidence, hips and very much breedable. Maybe we can help each other.

More recent "accidental"? breeding Video posted up on You Tube when the puppies were listed for sale on their site. You Tube video dated April 7, 2010
Watch this quick because I am sure it will be deleted soon as it seems with all of the proof I have put up about this (he deleted her pedigree with all of the true information about her having HD).






From the 1st accidental breeding-
From: JENNIFER THOMPSON <mysticalshepherds04@yahoo.com>
Subject:
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX(to protect their identity)
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:31 PM
I saw(on PDB) that you are expecting a litter. Who are the parents? I looked at your site and didn't see the litter listed there and was wondering why.

***This was the first accidental breeding where there were supposedly no puppies produced.

From an email received Monday, August 10, 2009 3:26 PM

we had her locked up on the back porch and when we went outside Blitz had busted through the top screen about 5 ft off the ground and was on the porch with her I was so mad. We accompany her outside cause she is in heat. but they find a way to get to her my little boy tore my kennel up and i havent purchased or repaired yet. I JUST HOPE HE DID NOT BREED HER !!!!!!!!!

From his initial post on this thread "she was let out of the kennel while his dad is at work and that is the cause of the accidental breeding."

Was that the first time or the second time?

Bhall

by Bhall on 06 November 2010 - 21:11

VomMysticalHaus,  case closed!  You have definately won this arguement.

by workingdogsddr on 06 November 2010 - 21:11

Very nice litter. Pups seem to have nice drives.  : )


by workingdogsddr on 06 November 2010 - 21:11

Yes bhall very nice arguement? haha i wonder who the co owner of this dog was anyway??? hmmm
co-owner and breeder of this dog with bad hips.

Have fun with your negative comments and bashing to take the focus off your own issues. checking out.won't be back this is a mute point and noone cares what you two think. all this started in who'skennels. bye bye.
by the way, yes the pedigree was deleted because it does me or noone else any good on their because she is a cull dog. that is in no need of a pedigree. She has also been deleted off the web site. So talk about that for a little while.  DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA .


 


Bhall

by Bhall on 06 November 2010 - 22:11

Hey, I just looked at the facts and Mystical showed facts. 
Workingdogsddr, you have lost my respect a long time ago.

by hexe on 07 November 2010 - 01:11

"yes the pedigree was deleted because it does me or noone else any good on their because she is a cull dog. that is in no need of a pedigree."
   
Nice attitude.   I had suspected as much, but this statement verified my suspicions:

YOU SUCK. 


And for the record, I don't know the breeder of your dog, I don't know Bhall--but I know evil when I come across it, even if it's via the Internet.

VomMysticalHaus

by VomMysticalHaus on 07 November 2010 - 03:11

Hexe - I share your opinion!


My heart goes out to her as I worry what will happen to her since he now considers her a cull dog

     I believe that she should be on the PDB because she exists! Yes her hips failed, but that is a fact and it needs to be  an accessible fact so that it can be utilized by the puppy owners who purchased puppies from her. If everyone deleted their dogs (and I am sure some have) that do not have perfect hips then they are doing the breed a disservice.  Producing one set of bad hips does not make the parents producers of nothing but bad hips but the knowledge that a bad set of hips was produced should be accessible knowledge for research.

    





 


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