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by steve1 on 21 September 2010 - 12:09
Geordigavino
I somehow do not think you are old enough to remember or having been born during WW11, So why bring Hitler up, That Scum is better left as if he did not exist at all
However i was born in that War and i lost 2 Uncles in the Fight and an Aunt, Plus my Father fought in it
Regards Phil Behuns Comment, In one way you may be correct, But remember this and i do not intend to get in an argument with you over it,
The USA did not win the WW11 they helped but only after certain things happened which forced the Government of your Country to act some 18 months after the British has been fighting,
And i add the French except for a few brave Fighters had caved in long before, However we were glad to have the USA fighting along side us and they were a part of a team effort but it was not them or us who won the War it was a Joint Effort, In the same vein you can say about the Fighting going on now you do not only have the USA servicemen fighting in Afghanistan the British etc are there too doing there part as much as the Guys from your country,
But are you going at the end of it Say the USA won the Battle, If you are a fool then you will, If you are a clear headed Guy then you will tell the truth
And Moderators you have no need to delete this post for it is not going any further with me just putting the record straight to another poster
Steve1
I somehow do not think you are old enough to remember or having been born during WW11, So why bring Hitler up, That Scum is better left as if he did not exist at all
However i was born in that War and i lost 2 Uncles in the Fight and an Aunt, Plus my Father fought in it
Regards Phil Behuns Comment, In one way you may be correct, But remember this and i do not intend to get in an argument with you over it,
The USA did not win the WW11 they helped but only after certain things happened which forced the Government of your Country to act some 18 months after the British has been fighting,
And i add the French except for a few brave Fighters had caved in long before, However we were glad to have the USA fighting along side us and they were a part of a team effort but it was not them or us who won the War it was a Joint Effort, In the same vein you can say about the Fighting going on now you do not only have the USA servicemen fighting in Afghanistan the British etc are there too doing there part as much as the Guys from your country,
But are you going at the end of it Say the USA won the Battle, If you are a fool then you will, If you are a clear headed Guy then you will tell the truth
And Moderators you have no need to delete this post for it is not going any further with me just putting the record straight to another poster
Steve1
by beetree on 21 September 2010 - 13:09
Tess, the problem I have is the habit of taking certain parts of a speech out of context, to skew a point. And that is what this quote "war" is. If you can really make the point against Dr. Fox, print the whole speech. If you can find it...I certainly couldn't!
by CrysBuck25 on 21 September 2010 - 15:09
Beetree,
I don't have the time or the patience to dig up the text of every speech given by an AR nut. That's why I didn't dig them up before and post them. It does not matter. Their actions speak for themselves. If this particular raid actually was on an actual lab and was not something hired and set up by PETA, then it's probably a good thing it's out of business. On the other hand, and we have absolutely no way of knowing what really went on there, since PETA and its cronies are so blasted good at lying.
If someone wants to find the full text of those speeches, then they should use their own time to dig them up, and do their own research, like I did, out of curiosity. It was very eye-opening, and sickening. Dr. Fox may be a little bit of a good guy, but if he has openly cast his vote in with this bunch, then that's all I need to know. To borrow from Hans and reverse his analogy, that's a bit like saying that if Adolph Hitler liked GSDs, that must have made him a little bit of a good guy. The only ones who can be part of this AR movement are those whose thoughts are a little bit...shall we say...skewed.
Geordi, I suppose you and I will never see eye to eye, for a variety of reasons, but I don't plan to argue with you. And I do agree, the Nazi remark was definitely uncalled for. There are any number of derrogatory remarks that can be made about almost every country in the world, including England, I'm sure you know. But there is no point to insulting a person's country, and besides, there are people from England whom I consider to be friends, and I have no reason to insult them, or their country (or mine, since my ancestry traces back to England).:-)
Crys
Edited to add Geordi into the third paragraph, as that was not directed at anyone else.
I don't have the time or the patience to dig up the text of every speech given by an AR nut. That's why I didn't dig them up before and post them. It does not matter. Their actions speak for themselves. If this particular raid actually was on an actual lab and was not something hired and set up by PETA, then it's probably a good thing it's out of business. On the other hand, and we have absolutely no way of knowing what really went on there, since PETA and its cronies are so blasted good at lying.
If someone wants to find the full text of those speeches, then they should use their own time to dig them up, and do their own research, like I did, out of curiosity. It was very eye-opening, and sickening. Dr. Fox may be a little bit of a good guy, but if he has openly cast his vote in with this bunch, then that's all I need to know. To borrow from Hans and reverse his analogy, that's a bit like saying that if Adolph Hitler liked GSDs, that must have made him a little bit of a good guy. The only ones who can be part of this AR movement are those whose thoughts are a little bit...shall we say...skewed.
Geordi, I suppose you and I will never see eye to eye, for a variety of reasons, but I don't plan to argue with you. And I do agree, the Nazi remark was definitely uncalled for. There are any number of derrogatory remarks that can be made about almost every country in the world, including England, I'm sure you know. But there is no point to insulting a person's country, and besides, there are people from England whom I consider to be friends, and I have no reason to insult them, or their country (or mine, since my ancestry traces back to England).:-)
Crys
Edited to add Geordi into the third paragraph, as that was not directed at anyone else.
by beetree on 21 September 2010 - 15:09
Crys, if you don't want to check your sources, that is too bad for you. I tried to find the source and it is not to be had, easily. I asked TESS if she could find it, because I couldn't. Makes someone wonder why? Makes other sources suspect, too. That's my opinion.
by CrysBuck25 on 21 September 2010 - 15:09
Okay, Beetree...
I did mention, when I posted that quote, that it was, at least, attributed to him. That means that he might not have said it, but was quoted as having said it. I am currently reading on the website he has...And see that he was the Vice President of the HSUS..
Now, I see that he does not refer to animals as pets, but as "Companion Animals". He recommends eating "lower on the food chain". It is very clear, in his own words, that he believes in AR. Considering that the goal of AR is to eliminate all domesticated animals, by death if need be, seems to me that Dr. Fox, even if he did not make that specific statement, nonetheless believes in the veracity of it.
Crys
I did mention, when I posted that quote, that it was, at least, attributed to him. That means that he might not have said it, but was quoted as having said it. I am currently reading on the website he has...And see that he was the Vice President of the HSUS..
Now, I see that he does not refer to animals as pets, but as "Companion Animals". He recommends eating "lower on the food chain". It is very clear, in his own words, that he believes in AR. Considering that the goal of AR is to eliminate all domesticated animals, by death if need be, seems to me that Dr. Fox, even if he did not make that specific statement, nonetheless believes in the veracity of it.
Crys
by beetree on 21 September 2010 - 15:09
Yes, incorrectly attributed to him! And yes, he was at one time affiliated with HSUS. I still think you make a big stretch painting Dr. Fox with evil, AR motives to abolish pet ownership, etc. etc. I don't believe that for a second. You got to go a bit deeper, IMO, and I have, and I am satisfied with the man's character. I don't think the PETA broadbrush work on him is fair at all.
by 4pack on 21 September 2010 - 16:09
Giordie, do you really think the PETA videos haven't been posted here in the past? Your not the only wingnut to come a cryin'. The fur farms are sick, they make us cry, we don't agree with it, but China is China and we have no buisiness telling them how to live, eat and deal with thier own policies. There are much bigger issues that need to be addressed first. Anyone who puts animals right above human rights, just isn't right in the head. Nobody should have to suffer, human or animal but we do have to eat and be clothed, so someone must die.
Somewhere out there children are being abducted for prostitution, woman being raped, people living on the streets, with nothing to eat, governments being corupted. First things first.
Somewhere out there children are being abducted for prostitution, woman being raped, people living on the streets, with nothing to eat, governments being corupted. First things first.
by Phil Behun on 21 September 2010 - 16:09
Steve, never said we won WWII. But, without the help of the U.S., the "Allies" wouldn't have won either. Oli you can go ahead and delete this nonsense and while you are at it, put a gag order on geordie.
by sueincc on 21 September 2010 - 17:09
The war might have had a different outcome if any of the initial major Allies not been a part of it (Great Britain, USSR and USA), but it is probably historically accurate and more fair to acknowledge all countries that were part of the Allies equally might have changed the outcome of the war had they a not been a member of the Allies, and leave it at that.
by steve1 on 21 September 2010 - 18:09
Correct Phil, As i said they worked together as a Team The same as they are doing at the present time, Good job when none will be needed but i will not bet on that
However back to Dogs just come back from Training and Izzy lived up to her pen name she was a right little Bitch tonight working. not good at all, But they have there off days i guess
Steve1
However back to Dogs just come back from Training and Izzy lived up to her pen name she was a right little Bitch tonight working. not good at all, But they have there off days i guess
Steve1
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