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by Rik on 10 September 2010 - 01:09
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by VIANDEN on 10 September 2010 - 02:09
This is really sad for the toy poodle and for the shepherd hopefully they can find him a home with someone that knows how to deal with GSD.
I have owned GSD and Cockers since 1982 and never had a problem with fights they know to leave each other along other wise they have to deal with me and beleive me they don't want to go down that road.
by Nans gsd on 10 September 2010 - 03:09
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by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 10 September 2010 - 03:09
I don't want to hi-jack a thread but this question is along the lines of the topic...what would you all do if you had 2 GSD's that you own barrel through an isolation panel and tear apart a kennel to go at each other and the one dog was about to kill the other???? Obviously you try to safely diffuse the situation but what IF you couldn't do anything to stop the blood bath taking place??? What would you do? Shoot one of the dogs? Wait til one was laying dead then PTS or rehome the other? Call LE, taser? What does one do in an unexpected unfortunate situation??
Before everyone chastizes the OP we really don't know what the circumstances were that caused this death of the poodle. Although IMO I agree little dogs are seen as possible prey, as a cat would be or rabbit ect...we don't know if that was the case or if it was a clear case of GSD was dog aggressive period and owner did not take responsibility of keeping the dogs seperated at all costs. I'm sure the owner was attached to both dogs and this was a terrible emotional ordeal. I know it would have been for me with any of my animals.
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by yellowrose of Texas on 10 September 2010 - 04:09
NO you do not shoot the dog...You grab one of the choke collars on one and the other is attached and won't turn loose...If no 2.x 4 handy then drag to another kennel...pull the biting two into one kennel..Choke one of the dogs till it almost passes out....dog is not harmed...
then you have to put pressure on the head of the other in the door and make sure hold it till the active dog releases...If no kennel use a door to barn, or house . You will be bit about 6 or more times according to how big the dogs and they are frenzied. I never let mine fight it out because mine would one be dead.
I have had the task of this as my mistake let the wrong male out while the other dominant boy was out...one time my son was here and he grabbed Dieters hind legs and I got Austin...I almost was not strong enough to hold on but my son got Dieter pulled off and into a kennel and then I let go...
Alone you have to choke one but you have to have one of them secured by a long line to a tree or their head in a kennel door to hurt them enough to make that dog still active release. I have tried other ways but nothing else works for me..One of them has to almost be choked off and shoved into barn using the barn door to make the other one release the now limp one. My dogs will fight till death.
I was told by a trainer , that I should have taken much greater , crucial discipline to all my dogs with his way of showing the dogs, I am alpha when a fight ensued , but I never was told how until I was 17 yrs into my kennel life.
I just keep one female and one male running each , then turn two more out of like pairs.. Vianden has it all down pat. If someone had instructed me how to do the pack obedience and discipline many years ago I could have done it. But the bloodlines I have would take mega strength from me and mega strong holds and I never was shown them. Find a good older trainer who knows and can show you . We cannot print all of the hows and how toos on the computor screen..Someone would call us cruel, and a dog abuser.
by geordiegaviino on 10 September 2010 - 12:09
This whole prey animal posts etc... makes no sense.
Many dogs get in scraps for what ever reason in the family home and yes if it is a small dog it wont stand a chance. Got nothing to do with prey instincts but two dogs fighting. Could be over food, attention or anyhyting....
The dogs needs training and shouldnt be put with another dog but saying that i have gsd cross who use to attack one dog we had constantly.... We gave the dog away for her own protection and we kept the gsd cross then we got a gsd and they had the odd scrap but they seem good together but we never leave them alone together ever!!
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by Jenni78 on 10 September 2010 - 13:09
Anyway, this was totally the owner's fault. It's terribly sad for the Poodle; let's not make it a tragedy for BOTH dogs.
Agar, I've had that happen. Know just what you mean. I tried all YR suggested; I prefer strong-willed dogs and unfortunately, that's what I got, so none of it worked. Mind you, I'm only about 115-120lbs and am not much of a match for two large dogs who really want to kill each other. In my case, I got LUCKY. The older one stopped and walked away and into her kennel when the younger one FINALLY submitted. I had all kinds of crazy thoughts running through my head, just like you. I did wish I had a taser at that point and yes, I admit, the thought crossed my mind to shoot the one who *appeared* to be winning, but of course I didn't.
I think it's great that Vianden can do that, but I don't recommend anyone try it and for myself, being alone and having a toddler nearby at all times and especially keeping in mind the temperament of the dogs I keep (very much like YR's...and I wouldn't have them any other way ;-) ), I just play it safe and run one male and one female, and of course puppies can be around any of them....because I think 'prey drive' is a sorry excuse for a dog with poor temperament who would hurt a pup.
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by Prager on 10 September 2010 - 18:09
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by beetree on 10 September 2010 - 19:09
That is truly amazing, just goes to show one can learn something new everyday! I wonder if they ate her.
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