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GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 03 September 2010 - 17:09

 Doberdoodle you are wrong to say the alpha roll is never forced.     Don't jump me for going Cesar Millan here, but one thing he does talk about is how dogs who are too excited may be corrected or put in their place by other pack members or other dogs in general.  They're trying to stop the behavior.   I've even seen this in my own pack of dogs with the adult male.  One of the other dogs just got excited for who knows what reason one day, he ran around and around like a chicken with his head cut off.  The older male ran at him, and knocked him down while biting the neck....he's a powerful dog.  He held the dog down by the neck while the dog was on the ground.  Eventually the dog gave up the struggle, and he stood over the dog on the ground with a more cocky, dominant stance.   I've also seen a few other peoples dogs do this, a German Shepherd put a retriever down by the neck, and stood over her.....if the retriever tried to get up, she would do it again until she gave it up.  Purely a dominant gesture........but to say this is always offered willingly...... most of the time yes.....but not all of the time.


Doberdoodle

by Doberdoodle on 03 September 2010 - 18:09

Large powerful dog that wants to lunge and a small owner?  Teach the dog heel, then when it lunges out correct it for breaking heel, tell the dog why you are correcting by saying "heel" as you snap back.  The dog will not have a bad association with anything, if he is trained by a clear set of rules- you heel and you are praised, you break heel and you are corrected.

The bad association comes when the person has no obedience on the dog and allows it to pull, but then when another dog comes along and their dog shows aggression they punish their dog by yelling or yanking.  Then the dog thinks "Hey, I'm allowed to do whatever I want, but when I do this, my owner freaks out," and your dog associates the other dogs presence with a correction.  If there is consistency in training then the correction will be over breaking heel, and the dog will accept that.  Shock collar would have to be used very very carefully, if you were to shock a dog when he sees another dog he could think it's from that dog.  If an owner was so physically unable they could not use a collar/leash correction, and the dog was out of control and needed correction, then maybe a shock collar would work if intro'd properly.

For those who say "I tried that and the pinch collar did not work," no, it always works-- they either had it fitted improperly, too low and loose around the neck, or they were not snapping they were pulling back.  Never want to pull or restrain a dog, this increases aggression, it's snap then loose again.  Certain dogs/owners need pinch collars.

Jacko

by Jacko on 03 September 2010 - 19:09

i just wish i could make their money playing with dogs.  what ever they are doing, the market says there is a place for it.  anyone who can comment because you watch the show is helping their cause.

Their marketing and ad departments thank you for the support.

The trainers themselves could not be here for comment as they were stuck in line, cashing checks at wells fargo.

I have not had TV for 7 months and just turned it back on for college football.  I do not watch these shows.

sueincc

by sueincc on 04 September 2010 - 01:09

What I like about Cesar is when he came on the scene, his message was "exercise, discipline, then affection".  He  wanted people to treat dogs like dogs, not "fur babies".  He was the first television trainer that I can remember who suggested that if Fluffy is a biter, there is an alternative to killing her.  Now there is also a lot that I find objectionable and strange, also a lot of playing to the cameras nonsense, that I could do without.  But on the whole I think he approaches dog training with more common sense than most other TV trainers.  I certainly don't think he's set dog training back, in fact I think he has done a lot more good than harm.

As far as that Victoria person goes, she's a joke. 

The thing is, it's just entertainment, and the reality is a serious show on dog training would be boring to most people, and would take waaaaaay too long.  Let's also not forget the only thing 2 dog trainers agree on is what the 3rd is doing wrong.

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 04 September 2010 - 01:09

God, I saw that episode with the husky. After the dog was dragged into the basement he pissed all over everything! She also had the owner eating her cereal out of a dog bowl in front of the dog to show "dominance" or whatever. Complete and utter nut job.

Too bad youtube pulled that hilarious clip of Charlie Murphy cracking on Ceasar. "I told you not to f*^& with the children, Francisco!"

sueincc

by sueincc on 04 September 2010 - 01:09

It's still there, funny as hell too!


sueincc

by sueincc on 04 September 2010 - 01:09

But my favorite is when he alpha rolls Cartman on South Park:

wanderer

by wanderer on 04 September 2010 - 02:09


Sueincc did not post the entire Charlie Murphy bit.  I think Cesar Millan is great and the piece is too funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXuj3Kss9c4

sueincc

by sueincc on 04 September 2010 - 02:09

I see that now, KC was right.  Too bad, it's really funny.

Myracle

by Myracle on 04 September 2010 - 02:09







 


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