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by hexe on 30 July 2010 - 04:07

"They have a 2 1/2 yr old GSD female that is the love of their life, great with their kids."

"the love of their life", eh? Yeah, sure she is...that's why they'll looking for any excuse to leave her behind.

"They are worried about the 6 month long quarrantine period, they will not be able to visit the dog much, since they will be about 6 hours north of where the quarrantee area is."

So they'd rather put her through rehoming--which means she'll have to make at least two more adjustments to new living situations (one when she gets to Steph's, and another if she's lucky enough to only go through one rehoming...)--than through the PETS protocol which would eliminate the quarantine concern claims.

And after you've given them all of the necessary info on how to get the 'love of their life' into the UK without 6 months of QT, the newest excuse is 'cost'. Nevermind that they're not making the trip until 8 months from now, which would give them time to come up with the money to cover the expenses of taking the dog with them when they move...or would also give them 8 months to find a good home for the dog themselves. No, Steph has to pick up the dog NOW, not in 8 months--because these people have decided she's disposable and inconvenient.

They're bastards of the lowest rank, IMO, and I hope they develop terrible, unsightly, itchy, oozing rashes that defy treatment and make them miserable for the rest of their days (just the adults, of course, since the kids have about as much say in this matter as the dog that's being abandoned).

by Silbersee on 30 July 2010 - 12:07

Hexe,
as usual, you make perfect sense. Plus, if they would have used a flight which went from the U.S. directly to Manchester, she could have flown with them and not as freight. The cost is significantly less. Plus, Manchester is their destination anyway.
Also, the 400 $ a week incomme is a lie! That is for foreigners but not the spouse of a UK citizen. There are no restrictions for that. And she does not have to do the visa process prior to departure. She can do it all in the UK.
Why does Steph have to get her now and not at a more convenient time since they are not leaving for the UK soon?
Lots of unanswered questions!
If that is how they treat their "love of their life" I really hate to find out their true character.
Too bad!

Steph,
I hope you can find an extra special home for that girl. Somethere, there she truly will be the love of somebody's life.
Chris

by Silbersee on 30 July 2010 - 13:07

Steph,
I took the liberty and checked. Just as I assumed the "lady" can apply in the UK, not here. U.S. citizens do not need a visa to initially enter the UK. Even though the UK is one of the countries which did not ratify the "Schengen" agreement, this regulation applies to them as well. This agreement basically makes it easier for foreigners who need visas to go to European countries to just apply for one which will be valid for the other countries as well. It does not apply to work and residence permits. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/partnersandfamilies/partners/husbandswivescivilpartners/
Anway, that is one of the areas where I work in and to make a long story short, her statements are not true. She either purposely told you that as an excuse or she has no clue and was ill advised.
Another question I have: Why do you need to drive 5 hours to meet up with her? If she is so worried about "the love of her life", she should come to you. And if there is no time this weekend, she can find a better one. Affter all, they are not departing for another 8 months.
Or how about telling her that it is time to 'fess up and come out with the true reasons to "get rid" of this dog.
Sorry that I had to blow off steam! I hate liars!
Chris

by Krazy Bout K9s on 30 July 2010 - 13:07

Chris and All,

I agree, however in her defense, she has been trying to rehome the dog near where she lives on her own, I wouldn't have any problem with that and would be better for me, but probably not better for the dog. She couldn't screen the people as well as we do, and
I feel for the dog, not her. I was the one that talked her into rehoming the dog sooner than later....since it would be easier to find a home for a dog that is younger, not a year older...and in the winter time when they are planning to leave, dogs are harder to adopt out then...

I will send her the last info and see if that makes any difference... she does have a pair of 10 old twins, and a 19 month old baby. Not sure if that has anything to do with the cost too...

She told me that I was the last resort also, because she wouldn't just let the dog go to just anybody....????
At least this dog will be easy to adopt out, and for sure, I will find her that special home...

REgarding the distance for me to travel, my girlfriend and I are making the trip for 2 other dogs anyhow, that are coming from a couple hours further east, so I figured on taking her too...otherwise I would definately make her come to me...

I am tired too of people's excuses....I just want to help the dog out....
I am learning not to argue with what they say...only the dog suffers, and I just want what is best for the dog...
Thanks all for your help, I really thought I could get this dog to stay with her people....
WE TRIED, and that is all we can do, just sorry I wasted all your time here....
Take care, STeph

by Sam Spade on 30 July 2010 - 13:07

You didn't waste anyone's time. I don't think anyone is upset with you. You're doing your best and I applaud your efforts. Hopefully someone on here that is looking for a dog will take notice.

by poseidon on 30 July 2010 - 14:07

The owner is very lucky to have found you. Being a young problem free dog, rehoming would hopefully be easier and would give the owner the assurance that you will find their "love of their life" family dog a good loving home.

Good luck Steph

by AlsationMTUK on 31 July 2010 - 15:07

Wow, I never thought emailing an organization like Montana GSD would turn into this nightmare of a situation!

I am sorry that I was trying to find a SUITABLE place that would find my dog a NICE home instead of giving her away to someone who knows NOTHING about GSD's or putting her in the pound.

My "Poor" dog, is very well loved, I just do NOT have the money to ship her to England from Montana! It's nearly 16 hours in the air, not to mention 2-4 hour layovers in each airport, how is that fair to her? I was only looking for her best interests and you guys have ripped me apart for not being able to afford to take her and not wanting to put her through a near 24 hour day of hell for her! Bravo!

And to the person (Silbersee) who called me a liar about maintenance costs in the UK when moving to the UK permanently....please see http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/partnersandfamilies/partners/husbandswivescivilpartners/, check out recourse to public funds, and then the rest of it... My husband just did the UK to US route, so I am pretty sure our solicitor in England knows what he's talking about when I say I have to have a certain amount of weekly wages/incoming monies so that my family is not recourse to public funds. I don't need a visa to VISIT, I can go on a VWP no problem, but I am moving for GOOD, which = VISA! Also, you have to look at the cost of 4 NEW US passports (110 a pop) because I'm now married, my husband adopted my two oldest children (name changes, need new passports!) and a baby (1st passport) Then because my older two are USC and were adopted by a Brit, they have to be registered as British Citizens (cost over 450pound = $705) THEN 3 British passports for the children ($236)... Ok so that's out of the way right? Now onto my VISA ( because I am moving to settle NOT visit! $1000.00) A trip to Helena for biometrics (about $200 for an overnight to be there for the 830am appointment) Now if they approve my visa, we can fly cheap in March ($2300) but if there is a delay in my visa processing we're looking at upwards of $5000 to fly closer to summer. So we HAVE to budget that in. Now when we get to the UK, they require we show ($470.460 USD) a WEEK in maintenance income, this does NOT include weekly/monthly rent ( roughly 862.510 USD/month).... This IS required BY UK Immigration law and I have to prove I have that PRIOR to even getting my visa approved.... So how do you estimate future income? You don't because immigration officers do not think possible future income in guaranteed! So You have to have about 5 months worth of that in Savings. Sure, I can LIE to immigration (and risk not having my visa approved and being separated from my FAMILY for months!) and dump all my funds right before we leave and pay the 1-3000$ for a pet transport (everything included) but my dog would have to fly from Philly to London ( we're going to be in Manchester!) So now we'd have to fund a trip to London ( won't have a car so train plain or taxi! ) and wait until they clear her, only to be POSSIBLY told, something was wrong with her shots or health certificate and be sent back to Manchester (4-6 hours away from her!) until they call or write to tell us we can have her! ( Up to SIX months! at THIER discretion!)

I am not some ignorant uneducated woman who is simply trying to DUMP my dog off on someone else. Brit is intelligent, beautiful and THE best GSD I have ever owned! She would make another family complete, while mine would be heartbroken, by leaving her behind. Do not make assumptions about how much we love and care for this dog, because she is NOT just a dog. She is NOT just some POOR DOG.

by AlsationMTUK on 31 July 2010 - 15:07

She licks my baby boys face when he falls down and cries. She lets him walk beside her, lay on top of her and all the while she is a doting mother, best friend, and family member. She wants nothing from us but our love and affection and this is apparent when she crawls in my bed at night, snuggles up next to me, and as I drift off to sleep, she quickly kisses my cheek. EVERY NIGHT. She runs my twins until they are exhausted and they collapse in the yard, her panting and waiting for more, them in fits of laughter! She barks when a stranger knocks on our door and doesn't let the newcomer forget she is there until I give her the signal that "this person is ok" then she melts to a playful pup introducing herself and showering our guest with kisses.
Do not think for one minute that I have not hemmed and hawed over the decision I have TO make, I have NO CHOICE but to find her an EXCELLENT home and I am probably not able to without some outside help, that's where I turned to Steph at the rescue. Because I knew, she would be the best person in this state to make sure MY dog, found a home she can grow up in and a family she can give a million more memories to.

Sorry if I am being really defensive, but I was so saddened to see the negativity some of you were surrounding my situation with. I am glad Steph turned to you for assistance, but you don't know my story, or my dogs. This should be a sad story with a happy ending, but the negativity is ridiculous and uncalled for. I only wants best for HER. Not whether or not we can mend our hearts and if I was blessed with unlimited income and a road paved with gold, then I would have never asked for Steph's help.

by 1doggie2 on 31 July 2010 - 16:07

No matter what you think of the people who have attacked you here for giving up your dog. Giving up a friend is not easy, I do give you kudos for picking Steph to take the dog. She truly loves them and will make sure goes to a good home. So even if you are angry at comments made, you have made the best choice to secure a permenant home for your Dog. Do not let you anger get in the way of what would secure a good home for her. Many of the people here are breeders and resell older dogs all the time, so pay no attention to the comments. Steph will do whats right, that should give you comfort knowing that and the rest does not matter!

by AlsationMTUK on 31 July 2010 - 17:07

1doggie, it's not so much anger, just sadness and confusion as to why people would turn this so horribly negative. Do they have to look at my pup, or my 3 children when we have to say goodbye? No, they don't. They don't see my kids scraping every penny they find and hoarding it away in ziplock baggies under their bed, in hopes we will have enough money to even buy the plane tickets when the time comes. It is a choice not easily made, to move to another country, my husband came here, now we have to go back... how do you look at your dog and tell her that she's not going to get your bacon grease in the morning at her new house but the least you can do is tell her new family, that even if you leave a pound of uncooked bacon on the counter, she wont sit and beg for it or even give it a second glance... or how she might not have baby fingers to lick up after dinner. You can't... because shes a dog and all though she is smart and knows a lot, you can never convey to a dog, just how much you don't want to leave them.

How do you look at her and tell her that, the day you leave, you will never laugh at her antics with the baby, that you'll never get to cry into her neck after a bad day? Or that her lil master wont ever plop down with his sippy cup to fall asleep on her flanks? All you can do is hope that a new family will give her the things we couldn't keep giving her right?

After all the negativity and sentimental stuff Ive written and been in tears about this morning, i emailed steph and told her Id hang on to Brit JUST IN CASE we might be able to manage to get her to England with us. I just hope in a few months I wont be scrambling to find her a home because my heart to me over.

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