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by Sunsilver on 28 April 2010 - 14:04

Well, at least he got rid of the howling vampire ad! That one just about drove me NUTS! I'd jump every time my mouse got near the ad and made it howl. I thought one of my dogs was in distress! 

I watched the program last night, and it was thought-provoking. I agree there is a serious need for research to find out just why so many parents are reporting serious problems (autism, regression, neurological problems, learning disablities) after their kids are vaccinated. We should be wary with our pets, too, and not allow vets to over-vaccinate.

by zdog on 28 April 2010 - 15:04

I thought it was  pretty onesided, about like I thought it would be.  You see it isn't just uniformed mothers of  autistic kids that are questioning the "establishment".  Don't you think the thoughts and view point of professor of pediatrics at UCLA medical school are valid on this topic? 

I mean they sought him out, sat down with the professor of pediatrics, an MD, surely a man of science for a two hour interview and in the end, they excluded all of it and all of it from every other researcher, MD, scientist, that questioned or raised questions about the current public policies on vaccines.  Makes you wonder why?

In the end, they excluded every experts view that questioned the current thought process and aired only those opinions of "angry parents" and put those against the "experts" and MD's about how dangerous these angry parents are.  A real nice piece of journalism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-gordon/pbs-frontline-show-about_b_554691.html

VomRuiz

by VomRuiz on 28 April 2010 - 19:04

I wanted to watch that and forgot until it was over... I had a feeling it would be one sided, but still wanted to see it.
Stacy

GSDSRULE

by GSDSRULE on 28 April 2010 - 20:04

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/02/british-doctor.html

I'm not sold on this.
I think autism, add, and the like are WAY overdiagnosed.  It's a big money maker for dr.'s, people that get disability
checks for it, pharma, and so on.

Seems every other kid is "hyper", "autistic" etc.   How many kids are drugged every day in school?

Personally, IF there really is a marked increase, the causes are more to do with the ever upward age of the mothers,
pollution, the higher incidence of premature babies that are living and so on.

If it was the shots, why wasn't there a problem 40, 60 years ago when we were getting shots?

by beetree on 28 April 2010 - 20:04

Sorry GSDRULE as the mother of a child on the spectrum some of your conclusions have to be updated. There are studies that suggest both genetics and environmental issues are the cause, even if it can not be pinned on the mercury compound used in the MMR vaccine. Also that age study tried to pin it on old men having babies too. And another one on TV watching. So many theories. Interesting to note that so many parents of AS children are engineers, mathematicians and scientists, what does that mean, do you think?

I don't know any folk who are getting rich on autistic kids, the one's who want to make a difference and seek to solve and understand the puzzle are most likely working for a non-profit organization.  My child has only received public school services and is successfully mainstreamed. Early detection and intervention is the key to helping a great deal of these children.

It doesn't have to be a shot. It could be as simple as the build up of poisons we dump into our water, soil and air, and maybe there is a limit to doing that, and maybe we are seeing it manifested within the tendencies of a particular child's genetic makeup, that it is vulnerable and responds to this disturbance. Just a theory of mine.  

by zdog on 28 April 2010 - 21:04

Bee, I'd think your theory is not far off.  I don't by any means think vaccines are the sole cause for Autism, but I'm pretty confident they've damaged more than a few people ranging from simple illness like reactions to the toxins in them, to full spectrum autism disorders and other neurologic conditions.  Those are more rare happenings,  but real none the less.

to answer the question to why there weren't problems 60 years ago from shots?  well there were, problem was, usually  the shots were causing the actual  disease themselves.  They had a pretty big problem with that in this country early on.  A totally different problem than this, but most people don't even remember that, or know. 

but if we're specifically talking about autism, we couild just be diagnosing something that was there differently now than then.  It could be "new".  It could be more prevelant because of increased environmental toxins, It could be from the rise of 10 or so innoculations of children to the over 40-50 a child recieves today if they follow the recommended guidlines.  There's many potential reasons why.



by TessJ10 on 28 April 2010 - 22:04

I've wondered about the overuse of household and lawn chemicals.  John Travolta, in the sad loss of his son, talked about how they were so careful with him when he was born, making sure the house was constantly scrubbed to be germ-free, even shampooing all rugs once every week!

Well, gee, think about that - constant rug shampooing, constant floor scrubbing, and a baby who crawls around on these "immaculate" floors.  How many chemicals has that baby ingested by breathing in since his mouth and nose are only inches from the floor, plus the stuff is all over his hands, even though of course we can't see it?  Just something I've wondered.  A littermate of one of my dogs developed tumors before 1 year of age - nothing like this was ever seen in any of the littermates, parents, or grandparents.  This dog lived in a huge, beautiful home, and was well cared for.  The only thing I thought was odd was that, being owned by an older couple who was home all day, the dog got loads of attention and affection and plenty of room to roam around an enormous home, but he was rarely outside, and the house is one of those that they scrub constantly...I just wonder about this.  Would also help explain why this is a modern problem - decades ago we weren't as obsessed with such chemically clean environments.  On top of all the over-cleaning with chemicals in the house and on the lawn, people now buy those stupid "air fresheners" that are spraying or diffusing even more chemicals all day and night. 

And looking around my neighborhood, I'm the only one who ever actually opens their windows!  That's so weird to me.  But for everybody else, nope, those windows never open.  If it's cold of course they're closed, and if it's the least bit warm, that a/c is running.  Open a window?  It doesn't happen.



VomRuiz

by VomRuiz on 29 April 2010 - 04:04

I have had my windows open for two days :-) I just closed them because the wind is CRAZY strong tonight.. But I wondered to about the chemicals used for disinfecting everything constantly and if it may have something to do with cancers, autism and all these other diseases and disorders that are becoming more and more common nowadays.
Stacy

by Uglydog on 29 April 2010 - 14:04

There has not been 1 cases of any autism in the Amish Community, they dont vaccinate.
Hundreds of Thousands of children in that community.


In contrast, we now have a 1-125 autism rate in America.  There is a coincidence.

Thermerisol is a contaminant and is responsible.  Mercury based preservative, among others.
 

Children Now recieve 34 vaccinations before the age of 2.  Used to be 16 less than 15 years ago.

Vaccinate at your own risk.
I have lots of info on this topic, if any desire more, om me.

 


by TessJ10 on 29 April 2010 - 14:04

The Amish are also not chemically shampooing their carpets every week, using electronic air fresheners spraying fragrances throughout their houses, calling ChemLawn to spray the backyard, and using 40 kinds of household chemicals.





 


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