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 Sunsilver, 

Agreed, most pulling on a leash can be fixed quickly, especially with the method I use. And I am sure some of the horses your riding instructor worked with benefitted greatly by his experience. I have watched many hours of training with the Spanish Reitschule, in Vienna, and I know how talented the trainers and HORSES are!!

I agree with nut case..lol   and showman.

A horse is much easier to (fix) than a dog any day of the week.
If you are fit enough....lol

Its a long way to the ground...lol

Moons.

Thanks everyone for the info.  I really used to wonder about Cesar.  But, the more I watched the more it made me wonder that he is really good.  I used to wonder the same thing about how quick he would be able to turn an aggressive dog around.  I never new anything about him personally.   Just thought he had a gift.    Anyway Victoria last name is  Stillwagon.   She is different from Cesar, I think.  She does not consider herself a dog psychologist.  She uses treats and repition.   I saw the episode about the lady eating out of the dog bowl.  That was a little crazy.    I know ceasr is crazy about Pit Bulls and sayingt they are misunderstood..   Everytime you hear of a child being mulled by a dog it is always a pit bull.  There was one recently in my area where the parents took sleepings pills and thety both went to sleep and left a 4 month old alone in his crib.  Well, the pitt bull mulled it's foot off.  They did not hear him before it was to late.  The baby is alive but wil never walk again.  They are in jail.  Not sure what happened to the pit bull.   They seam to always attack a child or a baby.  I for one would never own a pit bull.  I will stick with the GSD.

Steph already understands the whole psychic thing with dogs...It's not about reading their minds, it's about reading their body language.  It's about feeling what they feel and understanding what it means.  Too many people don't know how to do that and too many don't care to bother...It's just a dog, after all.  Why bother teaching him what you expect, and being fair and balanced?

Cesar is a showman, that's true, but I also believe that he can do what his show shows that he can...It's not him that's the problem, it's the owners, and if you watch the show, you see that clearly.  He'll get a dog to stop a given behavior, then when you throw the owner back into the pot, you find that the dog regresses back...because they expect the behavior and that's what they get.  And although there have been some "simple fixes" on the show, a good many of the cases have clearly needed multiple visits from him to resolve the issues.  In almost all cases, it's not the dog that's the problem, it's the owner that needs to understand that the dog is not a furry human...it's a dog.  Of course the shows are cut and paste...you can film hours, but you're only going to air minutes.  Everything on TV is edited.  It doesn't mean that he is not doing what he shows on TV, it just means that he isn't showing the whole entire process.  That does not mean that he is abusing off camera.  I have seen the exercise, discipline, affection thing work well on Oakley, and I know it's not hokey.  Cesar has used Ecollars, food, and a host of other methods, depending on what dog he is working with...all the trainers here will attest that dogs, like people, are all different.

As far as spelling a complicated word like Chihuahua, even though it's from his own country, I don't put too much importance on that...Plenty of posters right here on this board have trouble spelling much simpler words than that, and too many of them are native English speakers, writing English.  No offense, but a lot of folks aren't the very best spellers in the world, and it is not a good way to judge whether they are intelligent and competent, or not.  I know a good many people, some who are American, some not, who can't spell hardly at all, but they are some of the smartest people I've ever met...So again, not a good way to determine anything.  Just because a few of us are perfectionists about spelling, grammar, and punctuation (myself included), does not mean everyone must be!

As for nutty Victoria, her last name is Stillwell, I think.  And I'd never use her methods...I will not eat out of dish in front of my dog, on the floor, to show her I'm the dominant one, nor will I bribe a toy hoarder with treats so i don't get bitten taking a toy.  What I don't get is how she manages to keep her show on TV...She turns my stomach every time I make the mistake of watching her show.  I do sometimes, hoping it will improve, but it never does!

Got to run, the sun is breaking through the clouds and fog, and I want to get some things done before the rain starts again.

Crys

As far as the aggressive dogs, it doesn't take that much to control them, but it's the handler that is the problem.  Note, I'm not talking about SchH dogs, or K9s, or PPD.  I'm talking about any dog in the hands of John Q Public who has no or little experience handling dogs or raising dogs.  As I stated before, a huge amount of it is in the mindset you have...What you expect the dog to do in your mind is what the dog will read in your body language, and act on.  I have seen it.  Like tightening the leash when you approach another dog, expecting an attack, and then the dog lunges...

With regard to the bully breeds, some folks are very attracted to them.  They are not the only breeds that maul children, though they are the ones most reported for it.  There was a story on the board a while back where a Rottweiler, at a family party, had attacked and killed a young child. 

Pit Bulls require just as much socialization as a GSD, and as they are a fighting breed, they need plenty of training, but that goes for all dog breeds, from Mini poodles to Giant Malamutes.  To leave a child and a dog together, and take sleeping pills and sleep, is just ignorance, and the blame falls as much on the parents of the child as the dog.  For one thing, I can't see a dog getting up in a baby's bed to chew it's foot off...Was the baby left on the floor with the dog? 

Sad situation that this nine year old, unsocialized GSD is going to die because humans were too stupid to bother socializing him as a pup. An experienced owner could probably make headway with him...I probably could, but I don't have the time, nor the money to try and rehab this dog...He'd be a lifetime foster for whoever took him, since dogs that old are hard to adopt, as Hodie and Steph have both pointed out.

Shaking my head!!!

Crys

Training dogs and horses is fairly straight forward if you know how to read the animal and also know how they work mentally and physically. Training dogs and horses is fun and rewarding .....training people on the other hand, is quite frustrating most of the time.

Vom M is right on the money with respect to Milan. Editing, and CHOOSING the dogs to be highlighted, will make any moron look like a "dog whisperer," "master trainer" or guru. We ALL have had moments of brilliance in dog training. Half the time, it is something we stumble upon that fixes some problem we created we , without even knowing how we did either one!! :-) Add in the magazine (chock full of ads for often great, and pricey, peoducts), selling pet products on line and on TV shopping channels, and the man puts P.T. Barnum to shame. ¶I also agree with Kelly and Hodie: BREEDERS bear a great deal of responsibility for this, as they often FAIL to live up to their written agreements, much less moral and/or ethical expectations. ¶Steph: Plain and simple, rescues must perform a type of "triage" the same as a medic in the field. It is too bad that those who want to dispose of their pets, whem THEY failed to socialize, or that has just become "inconvenient," don't have to do the PTS themselves. Maybe school children should be taken to shelters to witness this particular cycle of life. It might make them more responsible adults.

I am direct and honest with people who want to dump a dog that I cannot take. I am also honest and extremely selective in to whom I will adopt a dog. Yesterday someone drove in without an appointment, let her three very young kids out of the car before I came outside, and, when I went out to see what was going on she said to me (I had just told dogs to come inside and go to bed") that she could not believe the dogs would be so obedient.

She then told me they heard I was a rescue and they came to look at dogs. I told her I do everything by appointment and only AFTER I have had many email or phone conversations with someone about their situation. At that point I offered my phone number and while the husband was going to the car to get something to write on, I noted one of the small children right in front of the mother had his hands through the kennel where one of the dogs was. I said to the mother "Please ask your son to take his hands away from the fence." She then said, well, "we are not interested and we are leaving". GOOD!!! I was happy for them to go.  By the way, I was not worried that the dog would bite him, she would not. However, the dog was jumping and he might get his finger smashed.  Because she thought it was ok to let the kids run around the dogs and put hands through a kennel told me a lot right there about what kind of home they would make for a GSD. They had never had a GSD, and she showed a complete lack of common sense.

The problems  with dogs someone wants to dump most are almost always a direct result of the human failing to do what was necessary. In my years of doing this, I bet I could count on one hand the number of people who had a real emergency like a death in the family and that was the reason they had to place a dog. Most people have lame ass reasons for dumping their dog. If there is little choice about placement of a given dog and euthanization is likely the result if the dog goes to a shelter (because of aggressive behaviors or old age), I tell the people they should put the dog down themselves. Most call me a lot of names when I suggest that, but I think if more people/rescues were brutally honest about what happens to dogs no one wants or can take, then that too would be sobering for a few people. It makes me very angry to see dogs that people have failed. Worst are those people who want to dump an old dog who has given them years of companionship.

Mystere has it absolutely correct. A good and experienced rescue knows how to "triage" the dogs and sadly, given our lack of resources, we cannot take all dogs and we cannot spend the time it might take to work with certain dogs who likely could be socialized and trained at an older age. I find it not very amusing when people become angry with me when I won't take a dog. They tell me "this is your job"......they don't have a clue that rescues most often are funded by the person who runs it and our resources are limited. One of the most difficult things to deal with in doing this is that one must be able to set limits and often one must be able to say "NO", when ones' heart says "YES".

.  I find it sad that a network would help an idividual to misslead people around the world on a daily basis. I also find it very hard to believe. So you are saying behinde the sceenes Ceasar is what?? abusive? cruel ? From what I have seen he teaches the owners to treat the dog like a pet not an infant. 90% he fixes the owners not the pet and yes you can't change a dog's behavior in 30 min. but you can find the problem and with repetition you can and will change a dogs behaviors.Lets face it a dog learns hand commands by showing a signal with a verbal camand repeatedly over and over again.On the Dog Whisper most of the dogs run the show and the owner has to earn respect from there dog and take the alfa spot and this takes time but it can be done.

I am not saying I have a clue what Ceasar or the show really do behinde the scenes but I want to believe there is someone to help educate pet owners in a good way and I was hoping he was it.

As for crappy pet owners I feel we just better get used to it because it has become a me-me-me world and a lot of people out there don't think about anyone but themselves.These are the people that wake up and think lets get a cute little puppy today or they see some cute little puppies and bring one home that day.

I was a mailman and you don't know how many people bought these cute little puppies only to chain them up along side a garage in the sun with a bowl of water that I would fill on a daily basis because the chain or dog would knock it over. It's sad but I don't see it changing . The only thing that can help is if breeders become more selective before selling there dogs.