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by Goose on 26 December 2009 - 14:12

Well said Molly! I don't think many folks give our horses enough credit.
Grew up in the horse business, am still in it. Love it. Foundation in Dressage with the best and specialised in Reiners.
Interestingly enough though, after having gone through the experiences in training horses, an ongoing experience, my heavier involvement into the dogs has done nothing but enhance it.
Wouldn't trade it for the world.
I do sometimes appreciate the ease of moving our dogs around for training and show over my horses....especially as I am getting older.

My favorite guy who I lost this October




Mystere

by Mystere on 26 December 2009 - 15:12

I have fed horses carrots over fences. There's that loud "crunch" sound...and the big teeth. I have petted one or two on the neck, briefly. I know 3 people who have been bitten by horses and the stories were frightening. Two were face bites, one was on the knee while mounted. Scary. I keep resolving to take ridng lessons to "get over it," as I really do like horses. I am just too scared to get that close to one. I even tried just dealing with a foal once. It's still a lot bigger than a dog. :-) Meanwhile, I will stick to admiring them from afar... :-)

by eichenluft on 26 December 2009 - 15:12

Me - been "in" horses for my entire life.  Collected Breyer horses at first - started taking lessons at 6 years old whereever my parents could find a place near enough to the various military bases where we lived.  Learned to "really ride" in Germany 8-12 years old - and got my first horse at 14 when we returned to the states, an American Saddlebred horse that I bought myself with the $600 I had saved since I knew horses cost money.  I rode my bike every day after school in all weather to take care of my horse, and other horses in exchange for board.   Second horse was an off-the track TB - I learned and competed in dressage, jumpers, and eventing with him and took him to college with me, where I earned a co-degree in Equine and Business Management.  While in college I trained, broke, exercised horses and worked with re-training problem animals.  I also started foxhunting.  Summer jobs included riding the "Pony horse" at the racetrack both for races and exercising rank racehorses, and also working at a harness track.   Another job was at a TB breeding stable - working with broodmares, stallions, and youngsters getting ready for auction was the most fun yet dangerous job I'd ever had.  Young TBs, especially stud colts are nothing to fool around with.   Rounding out my equine experience was mare-watching and foaling out probably 300 foals for various farms, various breeds over the years - 

 After college I earned my living managing equine facilities - one large college riding stable where I taught lessons, trained and showed hunter/jumpers - worked with problem horses that were donated to the program, did all medical care as well as "grunt work" and supervised employees.  Also was foxhunting in season and started trailering horses as a "side job".   Later managed a top Dressage training facility where horses were imported from Europe, trained, competed and sold.  

My own horse at that time was a Warmblood (Oldenburg) mare that I still own today.   Together we trained and competed in Dressage, and Jumpers.  Later I got a second horse, a QH who was trained for reining - I never got into reining but always wanted to - instead I did some team penning with him, and trail riding with both horses. 

Nowadays the dogs have taken priority over the horse sport - but I still have my horses (the warmblood mare and the QH gelding) and trail ride them as time permits.   I breed my mare, and also have two other broodmares (an Oldenburg and a Paint) that I breed as well.   I don't see myself "horseless" anytime soon.

molly
 

 


Mystere

by Mystere on 26 December 2009 - 15:12

Do any of the equestrians(ennes) see comparisons between dressage and OB?

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 26 December 2009 - 15:12

Training horses and dogs are totally different IMO .  The dedication on the part of the trainer is the same though.

Mystere you reminded me of a true story.  When I got my Arab stallion my parents were beside themselves with worry, as a friend of theirs and mine, was almost killed by a standardbred stud.

The  stallion was in a fence fight with another stud that had gotten out of the paddock.  He took the first stud in the barn, and went out to get the second which was caught up in the fence.  When he went to try and help him out, the stallion grabbed him by the arm and shook him like a rag doll, almost ripped his arm right off. Then the horse grabbed his leg and did the same thing.  He would have died if his wife hadn't found him.  He almost bled to death.  His arm is useless to this day, totally deformed, and his leg isn't right either.  He has been through quite a few operations.

He still has standardbreds in training, - sold the stallion to someone else.  They are a beautiful animal, but the studs need to be treated with respect, no doubt about that.


Kim Gash

by Kim Gash on 26 December 2009 - 15:12

Showed and bred American Saddlebreds in 3 and 5 gaited for 35 years - 5 world championships- 2 years Rider of the Year American Horse Show Association what is now the United States Equestrian Federation.  Showed 3 Hackney ponies undersaddle as Parade Pones, 3-gaited and even made one a 5- gaited.  Showed quarter horses also.  Played a little Polo just for fun.   Had 38 horses total at one time.  

Had a GSD as a child so getting back into them as something easier was a natural.  Converted part of show barn to kennel and there you have it.

People who have had to train an 800-1000 lb horse use their head not their muscles - most people who have trained horses, ridden and been competitive have a far shorter learning curve and tend to train using their head not their brawn.  Dogs are far smarter and try to please, you just have to read them - working with horses teaches you to read animals who cannot communicate well.  That includes 2 legged and 4 legged. :)

All Saddlebreds have died out - my last "foal" died 4 years ago at 29 yrs. of age. Had his parents and grandparents.  Have on old quartermare.  The farm has lent itself nicely to dog training; pasture is now regulation size Schutzhund field, ring is perfect for smaller obedience work and show training.  Barn aisle (100 X 20 and heated!) is a great place to work when its a blizzard like we have the last few days!

Shelley's post above - you have no idea how strong and in shape jockeys have to be - I take my hat off to Shelley.  Race horses don't really have much turning left or right skills either nor stopping for that part - takes some guts to ride them.  Thank God for pick up ponies!

Last place I galloped a thouroughbred was on the track in New Orleans - that was enough! Whole different set of muscles!

Saddlebreds are bred "hot" much like some of the high drive dogs - you learn to channel their drive into productive work. Tons of similarities in training but yet simple, fairness and consistency and clear communication - you just have to see things the way the animals do and then comminicate what you want.




by k1184 on 26 December 2009 - 16:12

We bred and showed Quarter Horses for some years(however, did rein an App for some people for 1 year and campaigned a Walker for 1 year for a customer!).  All of our chidren went through the 4-H program and showed at Regional levels in Quarter Horse and open events. Tim and I were, also, 4-H advisers for several years when  the kids were growing up.  I rode English and Western and showed pleasure,  reining, Western Riding and Trail for many years, on all levels, as did our children(pretty expensive with 5 kids showing!).  Judged Horse Shows for over 20 years-mostly Eastern US.  Our barn is now 1/2 kennels and 1/2 heated obedience room and our pastures and paddocks are double fenced so the dogs can run in them.  We no longer have any horses.  We found it too hard to go 3 ways- horses, GSD's and Police K-9, so gave up the horse/horse show circuits.  I find that many things in the schutzhund/K-9 world parallel the horse world just like schutzhund and K-9 parallel each other.  Understanding animals and knowing what to do to get a desired response  is first and foremost whether it is a horse or a dog. The other thing that is soooo important, whether horse or dog, is getting an animal with the genetics and structure to do what you desire them to do.  I recently retired as a K-9 handler for our Sheriff's Office and do miss the people from the "horse world", but I can still enjoy breeding, showing and trialing our German Shepherds!

Kathy
Von Der Wilmothhas K-9 Kennels
www.wilmothdogs.com


by malshep on 26 December 2009 - 17:12

I had been riding since I was six years old, hunter/jumper. Bought my first horse off the track when he was 2yrs, I was 18 yrs old. He lived to be 21 and died on the farm. During his retirement bought a QH buckskin gelding as a foal raised him up, he did everything from halter to jumping, was a three time all around national champion. CW his full brother did not like the show ring but pushed cattle and love to trail ride. Now the little filly she is a cutting horse my daughter uses when she comes home. Osteo leaves me off the horses now. The discipline I was learned during childhood from a german trainer holds over for dog training.

Always,
Cee

animules

by animules on 26 December 2009 - 19:12

Nia, in answer to your last question.... To me there is a strong correlation between the precise patterns competing with dogs and horses. Dressage or Reining, both require precision, correct OB requires precision. With the dogs I half jokingly say I am putting on my horse show head.

ShelleyR

by ShelleyR on 26 December 2009 - 20:12

When I retired from the track and moved to the Sacramento Valley I got into cutting horses for a few years. As much as a rush as coming out of the gate on a good speed horse (especially a quarter horse!), I have to say cutting is dog-gone close. You never forget the first time a good cow horse steps out from under you, faster than you can blink, anymore than you forget how it feel when you lose both your irons the first time they hit the flush button on the 30 ton starting gate and your mount nearly leaves without you.
I think the starting gate experience has a very slight edge, myself!

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