USCA. new admens, whats it really about? - Page 3

GSD:

                 Oh code of ethics? all one needs to do is go to the 2009 NASS site and see who is the #3 breeders showing I believe it is mittlewest, the same that just got repremanded for cheating on coloring dogs so the code of ethics thing just took a good beating there. 

Neither orginization will hurt the money folks to the point they can,t show.

Bob - there were several dogs bred by Julie Martinez there at NASS 2009, however they were not owned by the owner of the Mittelwest Kennel, Julie Martinez.  Even if she co-owned them, they would be able to show as unless a co-owner is not in good standing also, the dog can be shown.  That is the current rule WDA could suspend on.  Dogs sold, though bearing the Kennel name Mittelwest were not included in the suspension as those people and dogs had nothing to do with the suspension. 

I agree that cheating is more than is found out or charges brought out on, but in this case unless ownership records were forged with AKC, then these dogs showed legitimatly.  Julie's suspension runs for a good deal of time from what I have heard and she was also fined a very healthy sum of money. 

Problem with these organziations is that it is hard to monitor everyone as everyone pretty much a volunteer basis on these shows and trials.  There are not funds to produce and send stewards ala AKC to all of these events.   The honor system is only about as good as the individuals concept of right and wrong - which normally is based on will he get caught. :)

I wish clubs had the money to send a monitor to all - but that will never fly.

@ Mystere:

Wow, I must have missed the 5 page Code of Ethics (including breeders COE) in the bylaws of the USCA if really everything is covered in the bylaws that was covered in the original proposed Code of Ethics- before it got cut down to half a page and then to nothing -none excistent.

Ok , that explaines it, if you just saw the one page doc. It wasn't at all meant to circumvent the BOI. The original one was meant to clarify/specify what was in the Bylaws.- since this was one of the concerns from some members of the UScA.
But perhaps it was too specific?
I don't know why it was percived to circumvent the BOI since the BOI is supposed to handle the inquiries and determin actions taken. How could you circumvent the BOI with a Code of ethics? Isn't a code of Ethics there to uphold members to adhear to a certain standard? Why is this so wrong?
So the question remains, why the Commitee had to/ chose to(?) cut down the COE...

The new rule is purely petty political bullshit, grred, overgrown egos, and preduduices going back many years. I don't believe for one second that it has anything to do with maintaining the SV breed standard.
I don't like being told whose birthday party I can play at and whose I can't just because I like being a Girl Scout and a Campfire Girl at the same time.

The only people who benefit from this ridiculous new rule are the Europeans. At least 2-3 times as many dogs will be heading over the Atlantic for titles and breed surveys now, expensive or not.
And a lot of people who supported their belief in the SV standards, titled, showed and had their dogs breed surveyed when the dog was ready and there was an event within a day or so drive...  regardless of which parent organization the host club was affiliated with... won't now.  No. I did NOT say they wouldn't breed their dogs.

SS

Yes, I was and still am on the commitee. But i still don't understand  why the COE could circumvent the BOI, If according to you it was allready found (what was proposed) in the bylaws. A Code of Ethics has to be backed by the BOI or it is worthless.
Why wouldn't the UScA not benefit from a COE?
And I still haven't quite understood, why we had to cut it down so much. But open to compromises we did.
We wanted to put a code of ethics in place, because in this day and age it is important. And I still feel we should. Especially with the current problems, with BSL and other anti dog legislations.
We were hopeing to find a version that benefits the Schutzhund world as well as the GSD.

Kessy,

This is my last post on this subject, as it is waay OT.  Did you participate in the conference call involving the committee members, the chair of the committee, the BOI chair and myself during the summer?  If so, then you received your answers then.