bad dog but i like him - Page 3

 I would own that dog

GARD,
I agree I would also own that dog in a heartbeat.  If you watch the other videos he is a really nice dog.  I really like him.

Jim

You know, I was thinking as he was running towards the decoy on the long bite, "Geez, if this were a police canine, and I was a crook, I'd be pissing my pants just about now!"

I agree with Adi - the dog simply isn't a "sporty" dog.  He's a punk.  I've known a few of those and have used a couple for breeding.  But for sport - nope.  He'd rather be a SWAT dog where control and grips don't matter as much as gameness.  ps I don't personally see fear in this dog - but I do see a pretty big  "middle finger".

molly

Moons
That Video of Mr Murphy can teach us all something, A great Little Dog and so much fun to watch but he thought he was a German Shepherd size dog but with easily as much courage Fantastic
Steve1

Molly,
You sounds exactly like my TD speaking of my own dog lol in Ob. He calls him a punk all the time, and says, "That was the equivlent of him giving you the finger." He calls it the "paw."  Anyway, we're working on the Ob. :-) At least his "outs" are pretty quick ;-)

Stacy

He's learned to intimidate the helper and get a reaction by jumping in the helper's face. He needs to work on targeting skills since he can't seem to get a full bite when the sleeve isn't given from the hold and bark position. All this could be training issues but like Phil said, how much dog is left when you fix that out issue? When you add shallow bites, molesting the sleeve and not outing all together, what's so wonderful about him? 
My dog that can't do Schutzhund would certainly bite you when you came in the bedroom (or anywhere on the property) but good luck asking him to control himself in a protection routine or anywhere else. He certainly wouldn't out off the poor intruder.

I have watched the video a few more times, and I really like him! I think that he IS a strong dog with obvious control and training issues. I think his reactions to eye contact from the helper is that he thinks he is a badass... which he is. His "wildness" is probably why he has trouble targeting the sleeve and getting poor bites. I thought that maybe a little bit of electric might clean him up in the blind, but then again, it might make this dog just escalate. Still, a fun dog to watch.

I like his focus, it's on the decoy not dad and his itensity is fun. Gotta love a dog that gets that much enjoyment from his work. The grips were less than stellar but I felt his heart made up for it. Mt biggest concern was him popping off but he went right back in. Wonder what a different trainer could do for this dog????

The other videos of this dog are much better than the one in the OP.  He has fuller grips, and more control.  I find it hard to judge a dog on one trial or just one video.  I agree there are some training issues, but there is still a lot of dog left to work with. 

I agree he would probably be a better police dog than sport dog, where the dog is not judged on full grips but hard bites.  We do train our K9's with the Swat team and I can assure you that control is paramount.  Even doing building clearing while working the street control is critical for the dogs safety, our safety, other oofficers safety and even the suspect's.  We do covert clears where I can direct my dog by hand signals to clear certain rooms and then send him to the next room that I want cleared.  This creates some "safe" zones and enables us to move to positions of cover safely.  I can also down my dog at an intersection in a hallway or doorway and detail rooms that he has been in or may have passed.  Anyone that moves down range will be picked up by the dog and he can react.  I think this dog could be trained for this and would probably do well. 

JMO,

Jim