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by Kim Gash on 07 October 2009 - 00:10
Rik - just some clarifcation on your statments - My remarks to your statements are in red.
1. WDA is proposed to the GSDCA as an antidote to the rising popularity of Sch. sports and the UScA in the U.S. Those proposing are the very few GSDCA members interested in Sch. at the time.
WDA was formed in the late 80's due to a rift between members in USA (the club) - this was the year when Battaglia was president of GSDCA and one of the founding members was David Landau, I also beleive Bill Collins was a founder. GSDCA really had nothing to do with it except "lending" their priviliges in the WUSV to WDA. Also AKC would not allow "biting" dog sports. Even our breed surveys require bitework and also at the end of HGH (herding). Its not just bitework in Schutzhund.
2. GSDCA sees the possibility of the UScA, with it's emphasis on a true working dog, growing to the point of possibly challenging the AKC/GSDCA for FCI recognition of the GSD so they approve WDA. Of course, they assume it will always be completely under GSDCA control.
No not at all, it was all about world team participation at that point and honestly always has. Now because GSDCA is not in compliance on breed standard with FCI the forming of WDA quasi satisfied that need because then there were dogs that met the international breed standard. The same holds true today. WDA is dependent on GSDCA for use of its WUSV "privileges and benefits" (SV judges, hip certifcations, breed suveys etc.) Just fyi, USA is a member of AWDF which is recognized by FCI.
3. WDA grows and with a membership who want working dogs with working titles. Most of whom have never attended a GSDCA specialty show and are shocked at what they see when they do.
Yes, WDA has grown over the years, however it was all about working dogs with working titles - Schutzhund - also the highest level of conformation showing, the dog has to be titled with a working dog title.
4. The "new" membership of the WDA votes out the entrenched GSDCA original founders and installs a leadership more in line with what they consider a GSD to be.
No, all have always support non- American GSD dog types, and supported only the international FCI Standard. The ouster if you wish to call it that, was due to wanting more tranparancy, growing the membership and bringing it into the 21st century a little better.
5. The ousted leadership gets behind the WDS trying to pump new life into it. They run to their allies in the GSDCA willing to assist them in their return to power.
Sort of - its all about just getting AKC to recognize WDS so WDA would have no use to GSDCA and yes, the original players would be back in charge. However, its not recognized in the world and WDS speaks to nothing recarding bitework for breed surveys etc. There are no provisions for conformation. Its a knock off Schutzhund event.
6. These people are so obsessed with control that they will willing give up the WDA and the gains it has made for the silly a** AKC WDS that no organization in the world will ever recognize.
In essence, yes.
by Kim Gash on 07 October 2009 - 00:10
The biggest problem for all clubs be it GSDCA Specialty, or any WDA or USA is attendance and entries. A clubs have a hard time with insurance, expenses, and just keeping good participation. Also, while USA and WDA are encouraging youth, we need a lot more of them participating and getting interested in dogs and showing/competing.
by Rik on 07 October 2009 - 01:10
At the time WDA was formed, I was a full fledged GSDCA Specialty exhibitor and as I said had no interest what so ever in "German" dogs. Just looking back now on things I saw happening then I came to some of the conclusions I have now.
Also, I was a founding member of a GSDCA Speciality Club and an officer in another GSDCA club in my area for several years, so I wasn't just standing ring side looking in when many of these things were happening.
I cannot understand why certain members of the GSDCA leadership would now choose to push the WDS over WDA instead of making every attempt to get behind and strengthen the WDA.
Best,
Rik
by Uglydog on 07 October 2009 - 04:10
You ID'd the organization well, but not What Schutzhund is and what SchH Was.
SchH Is NOW a Sport. It never was intended to be.
Schutzhund tests of old, were Strictly Pass/Fail.
There werent Points given. It was a Breed test and used to select dogs for service work similar to the KNPV of today.
There were 8' Scaled wall jumps, gun fire, real stick hits, bite suits etc in SchH in the older tests.
We all know what SchH has become.
Im not trying to ruin you parade but for beginners its important to distinguish was SchH IS and what it Was.
Max, the founder of the GSD, was very adament in his Opposition to Dog Sport.
'Breeding in quantities must always become a curse to the breeder, because it leads him along the wrong path and deprives him of all real joy in his breeding.
Finally, it leads - and this is a further and very real danger for breeder and for the race - to breeding for business considerations only. It follows from the name, that this has nothing more to do with the dog-lover, or with the utility of the dog-race, and not even with Sport, which indeed has only been too often advanced as a cloak for such practices.'
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