What is a King Shepherd - Page 3

 Gotta agree with that GSDSRULE!  I'm sure a lot here would consider my dogs "nasty" because they are oversized, long coated GSD but that's okay, at least they don't look like those dogs!

Hey, you guys are thread drifting a thread drift.

I did not mean for the pictures I posted to be anything other than a talking point of the "flying trot" brought up by SunSilver. 

And I did not mean to present two such very poor specimens as correct anatomy. I'm n completely stupid and do realize I could never get away with that amongst such knowledgeable company as I seem to have fallen into on this thread..

Rik

Thank you for that picture, Rik. It is the ONLY time I've seen Vegas not lifting his front legs too high. However, I'm not sure that is a flying trot, as I don't think all 4 feet are off the ground. It still looks like his front foot might be hitting the ground a fraction of a second after the hind.

What' is the name of the other dog you posted? I'm curious to know if he/she is koered and what his/her show rating is (VA,V, SG, etc.)

Apologies for dragging this thread off topic, but that happens here a lot... 

SS, yes the bitch is Sch.1 KKL1 and for me, possibly one of the best movers I have run across. My Am. S/L friends refuse to believe she is German. No roach there.

It's not my bitch or my picture so I will leave it to the owner to identify her if they wish.

Also the picture of Vegas was taken by the guy who sells the Sieger videos here in the U.S. It is used in ads on this site, but also is not my picture.
I did buy the video and being able to slow mo some of these dogs is very intresting (at least to me).. 

Rik

The picture is a bit blurred, and she's pulling really hard on the leash, but she does look to have really nice movement.

BTW, I'm not the only one who thinks Vegas's movement leaves a lot to be desired...

Forty Years of GSD History at a Glance:
www.bloggen.be/hd/archief.php

I'm hardly defensive.  I've said more positive than negative.

And the picture of Raven sort of makes my point -- the dog looks good and her owner can't keep up!

I like her as much as the top show dogs, maybe more!  But I don't really like roaches.  And I had a von Weinerau dog once and he was a submissive urinator - never again.

So I'll take the bait -- what DO  these dogs do well?  I'm the last guy to turn away from a dog just because he's oversized.  What were they mixed with -- malemutes? pyrenees?  what else?  What talents did they pick up?  Can they still track well?

From what I've understood, Kings MAY have a mixture of Great Pyrenees and "possibly" Akita mixed in, in addition to Samson Woo who was a Malamute cross from the Shiloh side.  However, from some breeders I have talked to, some King Shepherds were 100% GSD that were just re-papered.  ????

Bucko, I don't know a lot about the Kings, but a friend of mine has 2 Shilohs, and I've been posting on the breed founder's forum for several years.

Tina started out breeding GSD's. She was heavily involved in training and selling protection dogs, and also doing Schutzhund, under NASA. Her grandmother raised oversized GSD's in Poland before the war, and these were the dogs Tina wanted to recreate. She started to breed her own line of GSD's, focusing on large size, good temperment and good hips.

Unfortunately, the American GSD in the 70's and 80's was going in the opposite direction, and Tina began to find it hard to bring new dogs into her genepool that weren't overangulated, undersized, nervous spooks. She imported dogs from Germany, but was equally disappointed with them. She also realized her dogs were becoming too inbred. In the 1990's, she did an outrcoss which changed the history of her dogs. She brought in Secret Samson-Woo, a dog that was part Giant Malemute, and part GSD. She called the outcross MAW. I believe this stands for malemute, American Shepherd, white sheperd. One of the dogs in Samson's pedigree was a white shepherd that starred in a Walt Disney TV series, "Corky and the White Shadow”. His name was Chinook. The American shepherd part of the pedigree included some of the Littlest Hobo dogs. Because of Samson's malemute blood, needless to say, his progeny could not be registered with the AKC.

Other outcrosses were also brought in. They were Hoofprint Orbit, a white GSD, and Artus zum Soehrewald, an  Altdeutscher Schaeferhund, registered with the Altdeutscher Schaeferhund Verband.  Some of Artus's ancestors were stock coated GSD's and are registered with the SV. (Yes, they're on the database here.)

At this point, Tina renamed  her kennel New Zion, and began calling her dogs Shiloh Shepherds. Soon she refused to give AKC papers to her affilated breeders, even those whose dogs were still pureblooded GSD's.

As for what these dogs do well, they are EXTREMELY intelligent, and due to their gentle nature, make excellent therapy and service dogs. Many have been trained for SAR, and many show the instincts needed for herding. Though I don't know of any who do it for a living, many have their herding instinct certificates, and some have gone on to get titled in herding.

My friend does agility with her dogs, but does it just for fun, and doesn't compete. Her bitch is a full sister to Mali, a service dog. Mali's owner is handicapped due to a serious accident that resulted in numerous broken bones and spinal cord damage. She can walk and stand for short periods, but spends a lot of her time in a wheelchair, which Mali helps pull.

Recently, they had to move out of their home due to toxic mould. Mali's owner found herself in a non-handicapped motel room, without her wheelchair, which hadn't been delivered yet. She was trying to set up housekeeping for the family, and Mali kept fussing. Assuming it was due to the strange environment, her owner ignored her. Eventually, Mali came and grabbed her by the hand. Thinking the dog just wanted to play, she again ignored her. Finally, Mali grabbed her by the shorts, pulled her over to the couch, and pushed her down. The owner finally got the message: "Your service dog thinks you're overdoing it...CHILL!!"

I have heard of numerous Shilohs that have figured out how to open gates, doors and refrigerators. One lady had to tape the fridge shut. Even then, her Shilohs chewed the tape off, and got into the fridge!  If you want the full story, just ask about Siri the egg thrower...  (He thought the eggs were balls!)    Another Shiloh was resting in the back of her owner's van, after a SAR training session, while the SAR ins

Gennie - the dog in your avatar is extremely good looking.  Is he a gsd or a giant something?  I can't see scale of course.  He looks like a longhair gsd - but big and solid?

Got cut off there...

Another Shiloh was resting in the back of her owner's van, after a SAR training session, while the SAR instructor gave the handlers a talk. Suddenly, a water bottle came flying out of the back of the van, followed by the dog's water dish. The instructor paused in his lecture, stared incredulously at the dog, then turned to the owner and said, "I think you dog is trying to tell you it's thirsty! Better go give it a drink!"

Recently, an owner reported that either her garage door was malfunctioning, or her young Shiloh had figured out how to open it. She closed herself in the garage with the dog, and pretended she couldn't find her way out. After a couple of minutes, Galen obligingly went over to the wall, stood on his hind legs, and pushed the opener button!

Then, of course, there's the story about Shep, the dog that saved Lisa Barber's life:

www.shilohshepherds.info/The%20Fabulous%20Four.pdf

They're not GSD's, but I still think they're pretty incredible dogs!