Ewo Von Heksterhorst--PLEASE COMMENT

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by steve1 on 06 September 2009 - 17:09

Vickie
Do not flatter yourself, I was not thinking of anyone when i wrote the above and that is the truth, I wrote it as i see things and i may be right and i may be wrong but the person in question meaning RDH wants a Dog to learn with that is the way i see the post and at the present time has limited funds like most of ordinary people,
Now that may be a little dig at you for i take it you are not short of a few Bob, and anyway to my mind why not give a unwanted Pup a home learn the ropes in what is intended when funds become better and experince grows without untold problems when learning, so a high drive Pup is not a dog for a beginner with that type of dog 'My opinion' Nothing sarcastic in my above post and nothing mean't unto ward just to help the person

And i will add if i want to say something to anyone i will not be snidy about it
It will be straight out and to the point, for i care not what the person in question thinks after it is said, i mean what i say and do not give a damn what the one recieving it thinks about it or any repercussions which may come my way
But in this case i was thinking of no one certainly not you
Steve

by walker on 06 September 2009 - 19:09

Vickie, I never said I didn't Send in to OFa. I said his one hip did not pass. I then through report away, That is a report on his personal hips. That does not mean that he is a producer of bad hips. Some of your very finest working dogs and producers in the world such as Orry Von Haus Antverpa, two times world champion and his sire Verwin Vom Blisared with fast normal hips. You say Ewo may not be a producer of excellent hips. So be it. OFA fair is not a bad hip rating. One of my best bitches ever had OFA fair. She produced well, and never had a hip problem. Sorry many of us dog people don't have the funds to buy high priced dogs and puppies with perfect everything. None of you perfectionists never need buy a pup out of Ewo. Go somewhere else please. And please, Melissa, buy a pup through or off of Vicki. You deserve each other. I am too poor to be a perfectionist but I know what a good dog is. I look at the total dog, not just perfect hips.

Dale

by walker on 06 September 2009 - 19:09

Some people have called me rude, When people attack me or state miss information about me, I may speak a little blunt. Have a nice day. Dale

by RDH on 06 September 2009 - 21:09

YR---He has many people ready to put a deposit and the breeding is a very good one......
Yeah, but those people didn't have common sense to ask about health certifications and videos, etc. These are simple questions that a client would ask a breeder of. What kind of client wouldn't ask for hip and elbow results and just the basics in general...an uneducated person would. What it boils down to is that the people you are speaking of that are ready to put deposits down are people who just glanced over the pedigree and didn't ask proper questions period! You can't tell me being a breeder you wouldn't ask those simple questions. I'm not bashing urry's litter. All i came here was to get comments and info since I couldn't get it from the sire owner....THAT IS ALL. Plain and simple it seems to me people who know the breeder personally want to make the issue bigger than what it has to be...SIMPLE QUESTIONS that is it. I don't have time to argue back and forth with people about this matter. I got the info that I needed and END of discussion.

by GSDPACK on 06 September 2009 - 21:09

Lets see. Nice pup out of titled parents IMPORT is about 1600 bucks. Food, dedication, maybe do the work and title, the dog. I learned that KKL is harder to get in the US. Not enough shows where I live.
One is scheduled next year and going to get breed survey on my dog.
PennHip is not judged on someones good or bad day. I prefer that one over OFA. I still send OFA since one needs it for KKL.
I am not rich, actually I am poor in the eyes of many.. I still follow the rules. Is my dog perfect?NO!

YRof T..sorry how do you know that this puppy would be to much for him/her?

eichenluft has great points, I would look into those as a novice. she sure has common sence and points out some valuable things.

RDH. I am sorry, the reason I asked those questions is simple. I do not get that the breeder does not have this information waiting for you. The breeder should know EVERYTHING there is to know about a stud dog. Because the owner of the dog witholds the info does not mean that the info is not there .. breeder should have all that info
(Video of him being worked, maybe preferably personal experience, titles and scores, pennhip and so on. those are basics for every breeding)

Maybe I am not undestanding this right..??

by RDH on 06 September 2009 - 22:09

Steve I see where you are coming from but I have tons of excellent trainers around me willing to work with me so the issue about funds to train the dog isn't a issue. The issue is putting out $1500 for a pup right now. My training for the pup is free until I do defense work so that is where I will be spending my funds. I have a dobie that I did do few bite sessions with. I am always up underneath my friend who trains and breeds dutchies...so I know enough than the average beginner and always have tons of people (decoys and trainers) for guidances believe that. I want my pup to be raised my way and do a few competitions when the time is right for him. I don't want someone's left overs...you never know how the dog was raised and can be a waste of my time. BTW, I could have afford a tiekerhook dog last year until I was laid off. I currently work very part time. I'm a dental hygienist and in my area there are too many hygienist out here that its hard to turn around and find a job once you lose it!

Vickie--Like i said I'm glad you gave me your experience ain't nothing wrong with that! Period. Everyone is entitle to their opinions (thoughts and experience) and speak their mind. Glad that you did and spoke up.

Walker--This whole thread wasn't suppose to get hostile about anything. I just wanted simple answers and you said I was asking alot of questions...Of course I have to . I am buying a dog who will be a life time companion. Although, i just asked for hip and elbow results and videos ...very simple. You act like I asked you a million questions ...GEEEZZ! I don't ever want to put myself in a situation where I may have to put $5,000 down for hip surgery or replacement. That is all. Your answers would have just help me make a good decision and think about things. There is no need to just jump into something and throw money out without doing some research.

OK PEOPLES LETS ALL JUST GET ALONG AND NOT ATTACK EACH OTHER AND BE RUDE! THE DATABASE SHOULD BE USED TO HELP EACH OTHER OUT AND GET INFO WHEN NEEDED....there is no need to get ugly with one another over an issue that is so small. (smile)

**I'm going to call a orthopedic vet on Tuesday and get more information about hips and elbows in general***

HAVE A GREAT LABOR DAY WEEKEND!

by RDH on 06 September 2009 - 23:09

GSDPACK--No problem. Its a long story and i have a lot of info but don't want to put it on front street then I think it will really get heated. It is already bad enough people arguing now on a public forum. I agree the breeder should have gotten the basics listed above before breeding and encase clients asked for the things mentioned. Trust me the info isn't there...if i want it to appear it will cost money and time to make it reappear.

Molly--I understand the topic with titles but just because parents don't have titles don't mean its a bad dog. Titles don't always make the dog proven...that is part of the total package. There are plenty of great working dogs out there with no title but have you stop to think that maybe the owner didn't have the funds (cost alot to title and compete) to get a dog title or other personal issues (health, family, etc). That doesn't mean the dog doesn't have the potential to get titles...it has to do with the owner or handler. I don't want to open a big discussion on title dogs vs non title dogs because this is not what I came here for. I just wanted a little background on a Stud dog. Hope that somewhat answered your question though.

by walker on 06 September 2009 - 23:09

I am going to quit beeting this dead horse, but I may make a few more comments.many people believe that in order to get a good dog, that the parents must be titled, pink papered, breed surveyed, exrayed, perfect hips, etc. etc. etc. I am not saying that this is bad, if thats your bag, and can afford very high priced puppies or proven adults. What I am saying is , If a dog is well bred, even if not titled, where do you think all those good genes go? Do you think that those genetics are not alowed to be passed on because the parents arn't titled? Or do you need to see a title, to no what a good dog is?. Besides that , every body has there idea of what a good dog is and a title does not guarantee that. It depends what your like in a dog. Some highly titled dogs, you can not live with as an example, or the dog may not protect you in a real situation, etc. etc. I have bought high priced puppies in the past. every one of them went down the road to pet homes. One of my very best dogs ever came from untitled parrents and bottom side grandparrents as well. But i new they where good dogs, and still could pass on the genetics. Having limited funds I would rather buy 3 puppies from good stock at $600.00 each rather then paying $1800.00 for one pup. Thats just me. Now if you have a high powered kennel With big named dogs and sell most all your pups into working homes at big bucks, more power to ya. But for most of us who produce only an occasional litter, many go into pet homes. $ 600.oo bucks , no guarantee other then shots wormed, and healthy when purchased. Now , If you want to give me two or three times what a pup is worth, I can give you a guarentee. Point is , a good dog is a good dog. Or maybe good dogs are where you find them. Some true dog men who are thinking individuals and not just sheeple, cross breeds like belgian malinois to german shepherds and other crosses to get some of ther great dogs. The don't don;t worry about papers. The police buy good green dogs, to later turn out to be good service dogs, usually not worryed about titles or papers, they know that there sources are comming from good stock, all that really counts.Just making a point from my knowledge, and experience. Dale

by SitasMom on 07 September 2009 - 00:09

Nice grip, keep the stick over the dogs head, its more of a threat that way.

by eichenluft on 07 September 2009 - 00:09

really IMO the MINIMUM requirements for breeding a dog isn't titles, or drives, or structure, or breed survey, or..... most things. It is PASSING ADULT HIP AND ELBOW RATING - and HEALTH, and TEMPERAMENT. ALL THREE BASIC THINGS. these are the most basic requirements before breeding any GSD, In my opinion. No passing hips, no breeding. Period. Hips should definately come before titles, or anything else. Titles and etc are icing on the cake - the cake is the basic ingredients of good health and sound joints.

molly

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