high drive show lines? - Page 3

Michael49,
Yes, I agree with you completely about the pounds, shelters, and rescues. I happen to be one of the people that has a licensed rescue that deals with a lot of these dogs. I am getting one out of a shelter this weekend that was left due to foreclosure. Most everyone at the shelter is afraid of the dog, except for one woman that knows GSD's. This dog is lucky she works there. If not, he would have been dead a long time ago. Knowing where this dog is and the high caliber well known Schutzhund dogs from this particular area and what this dog looks like and the drives and temperament it has, I am pretty sure that I know who the sire is. This particular dog is lucky. He is going to an excellent trainer (better than me) and will end up in a great home.

As for the types that I see:
American Showline, American bred for pets, American bred German Showline, Argentinian bred German Showline (have heard from more than one SV judge that these are the best showline dogs in the world), White GSD, White working line GSD (yes, they exist, mostly in Europe) American White Shepherd (this is different than a White GSD), American Black Shepherd, German Working lines, Czech working lines, Slovak working lines, Black of each of the just prior three working line GSD's mentioned, Panda Shepherd, Long coated shepherd, Wire-Haired Shepherd, Blue, Liver, DDR, working-show cross, DDR-West working cross, west working-Czech/Slovak cross.
There may be more, but, this is what I actively see people trying to produce. Not just we bred and these are some of what we got, but, actively trying to produce an actual "type" of GSD.

Santo , yes, he is a very dynamic dog with lots of drive.
He is pure joy to watch.

I hear Karat's Ulko is as well, I would love to see him in a trial someday.

This is a very good thread.....Thanks to Sitasmom for putting it up...I know why she is asking and am glad so many addressed this highly debatable subject with good reasonings...agree with most of them....

Sitasmom is getting her feet wet so she needs to know the world that all of you train and work around in.    Congratulations to you   Miss Sitasmom....Asking questions on these kinds of issues does inform people who are getting into the german shepherd training and hoping to buy or raise our Royal breed.

Thanks for all of you answering the question sensably.

YR

matthews3662- I did a litter with Santo and the bitch in the video I posted, I had a Mark linebreeding and they were very excellent dogs. I have heard Ulko produces strong drives as well. His grandfather Witus, to my understanding, was as hard as they come, too much so, in even.  In addition to Mark he is also linebred to Cello, and I like Cello/Eros very much for strong temperment.

I have known plenty of K9s with show pedigrees, sons of Zamp, Ando, Erasmus, Bravo haus Yu (brother to Baru), Yasko...

I would like to point out that many showline dogs, males especially, mature very very slowly and often by the time a showline dog really hits their stride, they are retired to the stud/brood bitch life. They are not given the same quality and consistency in training and therefore most of them never truly reach their full potential.

I am yet to see and know one. They are out there.... I just have not seen one for a long, long time.

I have seen a lot of Driven dogs in show lines, none of them could handle much pressure. There is  a Drive and there is
a Drive... I see a lot of hyper Show dogs.. more than driven I observed...   Am I the only one?



 

 

by zdog on 04 September 2009 - 16:09

zdog Posts: 319 Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2006 03:38 pm

The biggest misconception about working german shpeherd breed among people who do not have any knowledge about the working drive of a dog, is that they can not live in the house.this is true for people who should not own a german shepherd. there is more to say but what would be the point the dummies still go out and buy one without even thinking about what they are buying. Have a nice one.   A freakin Men.  it's absolute inexperience or ignorance that keeps perpetuating this crap.  You know what, if you can't keep the dog in the house you pbobably don't belong owning a WORKING dog period.  No market???? Good, there will always be a market, just not one for no drive, no nerve, ghost in the head, spooks that look pretty. Zdog, I'm with you

Gustav I agree 100%.

Most sport and policedogs are living inside with their family as far as I know here in sweden. If you want drive in a dog I guess it´s better to look for workingdogs instead of looking for "showlines with drives".

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/578380.html
My show line (above) is exceptional in drive, strong nerve and shaping up well in protection training. This line in Australia has been successful in police and security work well above the average show lines.