Shame on you Jean Donaldson - Page 3

Well I just stumbled on this poop stirrer STeve! Do I recall you chidding some one about stirring dung? Yes STeve I have you in my crystal ball! I watch your every move except for when you fart and go to the wash room! The dog humping as a post then shame shame shame then laughter when ronnieruntco spreads some more filth! I thought you were an honorable man steve and would rebuke someone for such filth! What gets me going is watching you demon possessed reprobates squirm under the word of God! Well steve where is your good deeds ?

RONNIERUNCO HAS ALWAYS LOVED JESUS AND JESUS LOVES AND BLESSES RONNIERUNCO.

You're right Steve, and he certainly seems to be enamored with you right now, he's running all over this message board chasing you down, hanging on your every word, saying whatever he can to get your attention.  The only thing squirming is you ray ray, you freaky little delusional pest. 

Okay, just had to weigh in on this one.

First of all, that's just wrong.  When my male Shepherd decided to hump a lady's leg, he never got the chance to do it again.  I started working on reinforcing obedience training, and I got him neutered two days later.  That particular, embarrassing behavior was not repeated.  Why would you use that particular behavior as a reward?  How would you expect to be taken seriously?

Second, unless I have forgotten some other reason, the only two reasons for hump is sex and dominance.  Now, letting a dog show his or her dominance over you is not the best way to reward a dog, and letting him get frisky with you...Well, I guess there are some sick folks in this world.

The argument that compares this to a dog humping someone in a movie is a valid one.  But regardless of whether we're talking movies or dog training films, the use of humping is inappropriate.  The occasional accidental humping is one thing, and is natural, but training it and using it for a reward is sad.  I guess if you have to let your dog have sex with your leg or dominate you, it shows who's really the boss in that relationship, and it sure isn't the two legged.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in the use of positive reinforcement for good behavior, and that includes, depending on the dog, toys, food, and verbal praise/petting.  But no way will I encourage a dog to hump me as a reward for sitting, staying, or spinning in circles. 

Just picture this...Schutzhund field...any part of the training...you reward your dog by letting him go to town on your leg....I think you'd get laughed off the field.  That's what should happen to anyone doing this type of "REWARD" training.  No excuse.  A kind word, a pat on the head, a toy...That's the reward.  Having a wonderful home, good meals, and vet care when they need it...That's the reward.

People who feel the need to encourage this type of behavior are a bit touched in the head, in my honest opinion, and those are the ones that make non-dog people look at dog people and shake their heads.

Sad day for dogs when pro trainers are sick people, too...

Crys

Crys, The Dog was humping the Ladies leg and the reason he was doing it was not for sex But dominance
Possibly she was giving signals out unseen by humans that she was a bit intimidated by the Dog and a Dog knows that and that could well be the case with this Jean woman as well she is sending out signals to her dog but thinks she is teaching it  or training it Not much  chance of that, Like some others they could be doing it for there own pleasure Whatever makes them tick
Steve

I'd have to agree with you, Steve.  The dog was doing this for dominance.  Having examined the video in more detail, she says..."oh, I guess she's having another go..."  Seems to me she's undecided, and that it gives a dominant dog the control.

From the dog's point of view..."I sit, and then I get to show her who's boss...This is the life...AHHHHH!"

If you can't train a dog in obedience or anything else without acquiesing to it's dominant demands, then you're not the pack leader, you're not the trainer.  You're just the follower, and should stick with cats...

Again, just my opinion, but I'm not a fan of so-called trainers who don't believe in the whole concept of dog training.  Once I have reinforced with normal, decent rewards the behavior you want, then I use corrections when the desired behavior isn't given.  I don't believe in beating, or any type of abuse, but I do use tone of voice and collar corrections, as well as placing the dog back in the position it broke from. 

It'll be a cold day in a very hot place before I'll be wishy washy with any creature, human or animal.  We each have our place in this world, and I am at the top of the food chain when it comes to my dogs.  I am fair, but strict.  I cannot stand bribery to get what you want.  I don't spoil (I know, I'm mean) and when I say something, I mean for it to be followed, not ignored.

"Trainers" like Jean Donaldson, Barbara Woodhouse, and that crazy woman on "It's Me or The Dog", hit my "off" button.  To watch the wheedling, pleading way they try to get what they want from the dogs they "train" makes my stomach turn.  You're not talking to a human, for God's sake.  It's a dog, doesn't speak English, and understands concepts.  Pure and simple, a dog, like a kid, needs a leader it can look up to and love, not a doting parent who thinks it can do no wrong, no matter what it does. 

I have finally gotten Oakley to understand the concept of stay, and she's doing very well.  She's also very good at the sit, no longer bites hands, pant legs, or human legs, and stops when I tell her no.  She doesn't misbehave much except to chew on occasion, but that's because she is teeth right now, and that's something that she can't help.  It's my job to see that what she chews is appropriate.  She's quite obedient, and I don't even have to let her hump me!

Crys

Tell me, Steve...Wouldn't you laugh yourself into agony if you saw someone with their dog on a Schutzhund field, and the dog's reward for good behavior was good old Donaldson?  I know I would!  If she's fool enough to let the dog dominate, then maybe she deserves what she gets.

Ronnie, you used to be cute and lovable. What happened?

It takes a LOT to repulse me. That did it. Was that a " trick" or  a "reward"?  In my home humping is a highly punishable behavior.  If my dog tried to hump me, I would be pissed off.

I thought most of the time humping was dominance rather than sexual....Like leg lifting (marking)  "Oh good boy, you sat when I told you to! Here..Piss on my leg!" Now the dog is the boss.  Absolutely WRONG as far as I'm concerned.  I think I'd rather be pissed on than humped. Better to be pissed off than pissed on, literally? Not in my book

If that was a trick, that woman is weird...If that was a reward that woman needs to be mailed a box of dog treats or a ball. 

Stacy
 

"...If that was a reward that woman needs to be mailed a box of dog treats or a ball."


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are so right.  She has always been "out there" but this pushed it over the edge.