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MVF

by MVF on 10 April 2009 - 20:04


If a dog is in a long down, rocks onto a hip and relaxes while it waits for you, is this less desirable than a dog who crouches down staring intently at you? What if they both get up with equal enthusiasm?

I, for one, have always preferred the FORMER.  I actively DISCOURAGE the latter.

One of my favorite dogs of all time would fall asleep and snore during the long down out of sight in AKC open.  I'd come back and he's be snoring between two leery eyed dogs (once a rottie and a dobie).  I LOVED THAT DOGS' CONFIDENCE.




Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 11 April 2009 - 00:04

I wouldn't want or allow a dog to go  to sleep on a long down in an obdience exercise.  Although, my dogs are high in drive during OB and tranquiIizers couldn't make them go to sleep during OB.  I want my dog to be ready to go and continue working.  I don't do any AKC obedience, maybe it's ok with the AKC people for their dogs to fall asleep during OB (I'd probably fall asleep too).  Definately, not ok for my SchH dog or my police dog. 

Actually, I encourage attentive sits and downs out of motion as well as an attentive long down. 

JMO,

Jim


VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 11 April 2009 - 00:04

Slamdunc, a good AKC dog should work in drive too, quickly, happily, precisely. Not sleep inducing whatsoever. I've seen some retrieves, jumps, send outs, etc., so fast (from many different breeds) they would put "real" working dogs to shame! It's such a terrible misconception that AKC dogs all have to be slow and dumpy in their work.

july9000

by july9000 on 11 April 2009 - 00:04

 LOL..Slamdunc..you made me laugh there LOL..

I agree that AKC obedience is less fun than schutzhund OB. The rythm is slower but there are some really good dog there..Some would pass OB schutzhund without a problem..

I will never aloud my dog to sleep on a long down..rest their head and be relax ok but never close their eyes..they need to still be alert for something else to happen..

I agree that I prefer a dog that is not to febrile on long downs..I like them to be relax a little when I tell them to stay.  Relax but still alert..Those are the ones I like..

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 11 April 2009 - 01:04

I must say I have several friends that do AKC obedience and their dogs are awesome.  However, they also do SchH and Herding with the same dogs.  I'm sure there are many great dogs of all breeds do a variety of AKC activities.  I am not one to do AKC OB, maybe agility.

Jim

 


sueincc

by sueincc on 11 April 2009 - 01:04

Just today when I was at a local park doing some tracking I saw a group of people together with their dogs.  I thought maybe it was some sort of  Tai Chi class for people and their  dogs but it turns out it was an AKC OB group. 

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 11 April 2009 - 01:04

Sue, was anyone or any dog sleeping?

Jim


4pack

by 4pack on 11 April 2009 - 03:04

KC, I'm with ya on the hyper spaz's being a no no but still wanting drive. Yes it's possible and yes they are out there. I'm going to bed early but hopefully will say more tomorrow if I have time.

jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 11 April 2009 - 04:04

one word will take care of this,,,,,,,


interpretation.

and so begins the neverending debate

what is drive?
what is aggression?
what is a real dog?
what makes up working ability?

everyone has their own ideas and interpretations of all of these terms.    that why we have so many "types" of gsd's and not just one. 

carry on and have fun with it.

john

sueincc

by sueincc on 11 April 2009 - 05:04

Jim:  At first I surmised  they were all sleeping or perhaps it was a display of dog statuary because I could see no movement whatsoever.  Then after a few minutes I was able to detect all  the dogs  did seem to have some  purposeful, albeit slight,  forward momentum, which when combined with the odd and repetitive hand movements displayed  by their human counterparts led me to believe I was witnessing this new form of the Tai Chi.  I  I finally saw the error of my impression and realized this was the AKC version of the recall  when the dogs actually reached the area directly to the front of their human counterparts and sat down. 





 


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