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by lookin4ppgsd on 17 January 2009 - 15:01
They said in the beginning of the episode it was part grey, part timber wolf. They didn't say it was mixed with anything else.
by justcurious on 17 January 2009 - 15:01
i recent heard milan's technique refer to as management and not training, i never really watched him before but if this clip is representive of his method i have to agree - not sure anyone learn anything but it was "entertaining" and the dog's behavior was indeed managed. like milan said in the clip they never got this type of behavior on film before, with the weak bc & provocative foot action i guess that was the real goal - they wanted this on film. i just hope the owners are smarter and more skilled than they appear to be.
i have no disrespect for milan clearly he can handle himself around any dog; and his technique works great for him and is entertaining for the viewing public. but there's far more to handling a challenging dog than mere management. i would hope that anyone who genuinely loves and appreciates their dog moves beyond management and actually learns to handle and teach their dog skills that enhance both their life and the life of their dog.
i have no disrespect for milan clearly he can handle himself around any dog; and his technique works great for him and is entertaining for the viewing public. but there's far more to handling a challenging dog than mere management. i would hope that anyone who genuinely loves and appreciates their dog moves beyond management and actually learns to handle and teach their dog skills that enhance both their life and the life of their dog.
by Princess on 17 January 2009 - 15:01
I have to say I would question a trainner who put a dog, that he doesnt seem able to read the body signs of, near a dog an owner that appear uneasy and submissive. If you watch the dog you can see his wheels turning,and I think the nudge set him off. I believe that had the other dog stood up it would have been on. He didnt have control of that dog and could have turned out very bad. That dog appears to be agressive and smart,as he pushes and waits for his chance. I dont believe he was put in to submission and of course they dont show him walking away. I guess trainners of problem dogs dont have the advantage of pack structure and have to set down rules, but that is better handled at a pup level,not a adult hood. JMO
by StinkyK9 on 17 January 2009 - 15:01
To "Get a Real Dog"
I just read your response to my comments. I was actually impressed with your opinion and the quality of your answers/response (whether or not I agree or disagreed) , and then you had to go and blow it with your closing childish comment.
The original poster - hence the primary person I was responding to - had given the opinion of "...why hybrids are a bad idea for the inexperienced general public.", I was giving my opinion on another reason why it's not a good idea.
Sigh. Your closing statement "Many of us are here to discuss training and canine behaviour, not dog food." is a bit off base as I've noticed several threads discussing dog food including the pros and cons different brands, raw diet, etc.
I think discussing training and canine behavior on the PDB is terrific, but somehow it always seem to veer off onto ego & self defense, name calling, etc.
Here's to agreeing to disagree.... Stinky
I just read your response to my comments. I was actually impressed with your opinion and the quality of your answers/response (whether or not I agree or disagreed) , and then you had to go and blow it with your closing childish comment.
The original poster - hence the primary person I was responding to - had given the opinion of "...why hybrids are a bad idea for the inexperienced general public.", I was giving my opinion on another reason why it's not a good idea.
Sigh. Your closing statement "Many of us are here to discuss training and canine behaviour, not dog food." is a bit off base as I've noticed several threads discussing dog food including the pros and cons different brands, raw diet, etc.
I think discussing training and canine behavior on the PDB is terrific, but somehow it always seem to veer off onto ego & self defense, name calling, etc.
Here's to agreeing to disagree.... Stinky
by Two Moons on 17 January 2009 - 16:01
Looked to me like the dog submitted from lack of oxigen....
Great training...
Great gimmick...... whispering to dogs.
Sorry, I just wasn't impressed.
I doubt that the situation was resolved.
by VomMarischal on 17 January 2009 - 17:01
His proof that the dog is dominant was its lipstick getting an inch out of the tube? Does this mean Milan doesn't know what a real doggy hardon looks like? He's not reading the dogs right. For example, if he could have read that dog, he wouldn't have come out in a cute shirt...woulda used a bite suit. Cesar Milan's main talent is hiring great film editors who make a two hour battle look like a 30-second master training session.
--Jackie
--Jackie
by BabyEagle4U on 17 January 2009 - 18:01
I like Cesar Millan.
by jc.carroll on 17 January 2009 - 18:01
I guess Millan doesn't know that showing doggy wood is also an anxiety/fear response.
[paraphrased]: "He's got a hard-on because dominanting excites him." Eh, sounds like someone is projecting there.
by Get A Real Dog on 18 January 2009 - 02:01
Get A Real Dog, in the links you posted, why is the dogs breathing restricted please?
I do not know. Sometimes when hard dogs get angry or frustrated, you will can see that in their breathing, esp if they are "mouth breathers" and have full "pushing" style grips. When a dog is swallowing suit material makes it hard to breath. Could be a real tight e-collar, slightly elongated palate, or any combination of these. I really don't know.
Sigh. Your closing statement "Many of us are here to discuss training and canine behaviour, not dog food." is a bit off base as I've noticed several threads discussing dog food including the pros and cons different brands, raw diet, etc.
I think discussing training and canine behavior on the PDB is terrific, but somehow it always seem to veer off onto ego & self defense, name calling, etc.
One sign of an ego( yes I have a big one, you are not the first to point that out)
is thinking the world is revolving around them. My jab at the dog food was not to you personally but a jab at how this board has evolved from a place that had quite a few knowlegeable people who talked about training, to what it is now, every other post is about dog food or how my dog poops and people who believe in Cesar Milan.
So my dear, you are not the world my sarcasm and smart ass comments revolve around. Relax.
Thank you for the compliment on my post. I like to think I can be articlulate at times and not just a knuckle-dragger. Your post reminded me that I was going off on a tangent instead of explaining my opinion.
Take care
I do not know. Sometimes when hard dogs get angry or frustrated, you will can see that in their breathing, esp if they are "mouth breathers" and have full "pushing" style grips. When a dog is swallowing suit material makes it hard to breath. Could be a real tight e-collar, slightly elongated palate, or any combination of these. I really don't know.
Sigh. Your closing statement "Many of us are here to discuss training and canine behaviour, not dog food." is a bit off base as I've noticed several threads discussing dog food including the pros and cons different brands, raw diet, etc.
I think discussing training and canine behavior on the PDB is terrific, but somehow it always seem to veer off onto ego & self defense, name calling, etc.
One sign of an ego( yes I have a big one, you are not the first to point that out)
is thinking the world is revolving around them. My jab at the dog food was not to you personally but a jab at how this board has evolved from a place that had quite a few knowlegeable people who talked about training, to what it is now, every other post is about dog food or how my dog poops and people who believe in Cesar Milan. So my dear, you are not the world my sarcasm and smart ass comments revolve around. Relax.
Thank you for the compliment on my post. I like to think I can be articlulate at times and not just a knuckle-dragger. Your post reminded me that I was going off on a tangent instead of explaining my opinion.
Take care
by sueincc on 18 January 2009 - 03:01
Look, it's pretty simple, I think we all know that when you string up a dog, it will usually fight you, nothing to do with being "alpha" or "dominate", it just wants to breathe. I think he was really off base with his handling of this dog from the outset.
I did enjoy the first season of his show. Especially the episode where you see him getting bit to shit trying to groom the face of a Bichon and in the next scene he has a bunch of band-aids all over his fingers. Plus he did some pretty funny dog imitations.
I will say I appreciate his most important message which is "exercise, discipline, affection" - in that order. I think if more pet people understood that and practiced it, and treated their dogs like dogs, instead of dressing up their fur baby and carrying it around like a damn doll, there would be a lot less psycho neurotic dogs.
I did enjoy the first season of his show. Especially the episode where you see him getting bit to shit trying to groom the face of a Bichon and in the next scene he has a bunch of band-aids all over his fingers. Plus he did some pretty funny dog imitations.
I will say I appreciate his most important message which is "exercise, discipline, affection" - in that order. I think if more pet people understood that and practiced it, and treated their dogs like dogs, instead of dressing up their fur baby and carrying it around like a damn doll, there would be a lot less psycho neurotic dogs.
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