FCI 2008 - Statistical Analysis - Page 3

Jeff I agree with you that people might simply like the GSD better than they like Malinois. And I support that 100%. Folks should have the breed of dog that they like. If you feel that you would do better with a GSD then that’s the dog you should have. But that has nothing to do with my point. What I want to know is how did this happen? Why does the Malinois win? Why do so many GSD enthusiasts but their heads in the sand and act like they don’t see it?

IMO, any GSD breeder that is not giving the simple question of why the Malinois wins a lot of thought, is worse than most backyard breeders. How does this dog that has no breed test and most of the bitches are not titled, consistently produce better and healthier working dogs?

It's just a sport - a fringe sport - big deal.

He says with his head frimly planted.

One thing that I believe the mals have in their favor have been a lack of non working people knowing about them.

Another thing in schutzhund has been that some tests that were removed such as the attack on the handler.  (Some  things that have been added back into the AWDF titles.)  But anyway with some of the defense related tests being removed a more prey orientated dog becomes what people want for sport.. resulting is less balanced drives..Kinda of a vicious circle..

And again it really comes down to what you want.  I like power dogs .  Breed is really not as important to me. Probably not whats best for getting high scores.  But maybe we need to llook at more than just the scorebook for our breedings.. Goes for all of the working breeds..We must keep them true to their working heritage

Jeff

I will make a statement as an engineer, and I perhaps find one (1) fault with the data analyzed. The sampling population was perhaps not large enough to really show some irrefutable differences. I take it from the original post that the data is derived from one (1) F.C.I. event with a small group of dogs. I do not wish to sound overly critical-this is merely my opinion here. Your data is harvested from the performance of a very small group of dogs. I do think it is a good effort.

By the way; by chance was the same data analysed with Kruskal-Wallis or the original Pearson's chi-square formulae? I am just curious. I seldom crunch data in the course of my work, but I do know that sampling populations must be quite large and all alternative formulae applied to develop a mean of the results. Again, I am not being critical here-I think it is a great effort on your part and a good start. I would like to see the results from several shows-even if many of the same dogs had a repeated performance.

Best Regards,

Bob-O

Trivia: When was the last time a GSD won the FCI?

Chris Smith,  I think folks get your point.  You're just coming across too strong.  Peace, brother! 

My hubby has a Mali and I train a GSD.  We've got our own personal head-to-head competition going on.  I'll let you know who comes out on top!  ;P

However, I am intriguied by this question you posed...  "How does this dog that has no breed test and most of the bitches are not titled, consistently produce better and healthier working dogs?" 

Hmmmm....

Christopher Smith

The fact remains that the FCI does contain the top malinois.  I asked to keep this civil, yet you wanna be an internet toughguy.  Please tell me what Malinois were not at the FCI?   

Quenny?  Or is it possibly your dog that was not there?  (Please no applause.  I wouldn't want to rattle anyone)