GSD/Mal Crosses - Page 3

I don’t see what humor you people are finding in this. It must be a “sable GSD thing”. I guess you’re just jealous of the dogs that are closer to the standard. If your dogs are better than the black and red dogs then why do the black and red dogs get kkl1 while most sable dogs get kkl2? The SV breed test is a test of both work AND conformation so the black and red dogs must be an overall better dog. Right? Why do black and red puppies cost three times as much? Why are there 20 times more dogs in the BSZS than in the BZP? Might it be because the BSZS is more important?

I think many of the so-called “working line breeders” are trying to turn the GSD into an imitation of the Malinois. Maybe that’s why you are so intrigued by a Mal/GSD “hybrid” aka mutt. I for one don’t want one of those crazy, aggressive, nerve bags. The only people that need, or should have, dogs like that are the police and military. I like my dogs with an off switch. (The switch is located right at the 45 degree layback of a proper GSD shoulder)

And there is a reason why Malinois are so cheap. Higher prices are an indicator of higher quality. That’s why a Bentley cost more than a Toyota.

hey for those people that are considering crosses why not go for the ultimate.  A corgi/shepherd mix crossed with a mal. My corgi mix is a sch3 Fh AWD1. 

His normal stud fee would be a large size quarter pounder value meal but with the right female I would only request 2 double cheeseburgers as payment.

This could work out as a real win-win for everyone

"Rumor always had it that Link Muikenshof was part mal. " quote

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one of my girls, dharma van jekervallei (in the database) has link 3 times on her pedigree. i bought her directly from rinus bastiaansen and couldn't be happier with her.  it became very clear to us, even as a puppy, that she was a "special" girl.  if the rumors about link are true, which we suspect that they are......then it is nothing but a stroke of genius.  just check out the dogs that come downline from link.  great competition dogs, ppds, excellent pets, good producing studs and bitches, strength in body and character, intellignce, etc etc.

i have posted in other threads regarding the crossing of gsds with mals and dutchies.  it is my firm belief that german shepherd breeding should be conducted in the same way in which warmblood horses are bred.  any given stud dog could be "approved" for breeding in several different breeds of dogs. i see it as a viable solution for the many problems in our gsds that we continually talk about yet do not solve.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/470496.html

pjp

“just check out the dogs that come downline from link.  great competition dogs, ppds, excellent pets, good producing studs and bitches, strength in body and character, intellignce, etc etc.”

And how many dog of those offspring are KKL1?

 Christopher:

               I take it to you the show dogs are the top of the pile... it reminds me of a old saying the " the white stuff in chicken shit is just  more chicken shit". Working abality is the end all of the breed it was breed for a WORKING DOG I,d love to see the heavy headed roach backed dogs run all day with a herd, climb a 6 foot vertical, Grip with real power and presence, turn quick on the field or on the street. 

I agree fully the true beauty is the working abality of the breed... But I am intrested in Habanaros line breeding there how about this, a lrge fry and a chicken sandwich with a coke? 

 Sueinc said: "

You just wait Christopher,  trials have been unfairly geared towards Malis.  Very soon the rules will be changed, higher points will be awarded for slinking dogs because they are not in avoidance but really stealthy and those so dominant they will mark territory rather than waste time gripping a silly decoy. "

Girl, you and Christopher are going to get your silly selves on a HIT LIST!!   I want all the show folks, particularly those in Southern states, to note that I didn't  make one single allusion to the Sieger Show.  Wasn't me!! 

Bob, make the coke a diet and you got yourself a deal.

He does not have any papers, but if you don't have a metal crate you won't even have to open the crate, little cupcake will just tear the door off.....but other than his urge to impregnate every female with a heartbeat within a 10 male radius he is a nice dog

on a serious note

The goal of any succesful breeding brogram is have a degree of  predictable success in its progeny.  When you intermix breeds it is a roll of the dice, even more so than a well researched breeding so the predictability of the offspring kinda goes out the window.

and now back to form...

Having said that I would work a 3 legged grizzly bear if i could get it to do obedience.

jeff

CHRIS YOU ARE JUST TOO FUNY. S

ABLE WAS THE ORIGINAL COLOR.

I SEEN PLANY OF WORKING DOGS GETTING KKL1

GSD IS A WORKING DOG AND WORKING DOG ONLY.... END OF STORY.... BYE BYE

EDITED BECAUSE I LIKED VICKY POST BETTER.

Christopher,

Christopher wrote:  And to fill you in, because it is very apparent that you don’t know, a correct GSD is deep red with lustrous black markings. His side gait is far reaching and strong. No Malinois looks like that does it?

I actually believe the standard gives more than black/red as acceptable colors.  Sables, blacks, bi-colors are all acceptable.  If you are going to dig up info from Max Stephenitz then you need to take a look at the foundation stock of the German Shepherd, NONE of them were YOUR cherrished black and red dog!

Sue, there are only two reasons that Mals beat the GSDs at the big trials. One, the best dogs are working on their show careers and can’t afford to get hurt or get broken teeth.

It is a working dog, right?  Isn't that what Max developed, a working dog......NOT a show dog!  And alot of those "show" dogs just can't cut it in the same arena as the "working" dog.....some can but there are many "pretty" dogs out there that can not!  (NO FLAMES PLEASE AS THIS IS NOT THE DEBATE HERE).

Vicky, you want to know another word for hybrid? Mutt! And if you want a mutt you should go to the pound and get all you want. But please for Max’s sake please leave the GSD alone.

My reference was to "hybrid vigor", do you even know what that means?  Kind of taking what I said out of context here!  I have FINE dogs in my kennel, What do you have in yours?

I don’t see what humor you people are finding in this. It must be a “sable GSD thing”. I guess you’re just jealous of the dogs that are closer to the standard.