DO YOU SELL YOUR PUPPIES WITH A CONTRACT - Page 3

Karen.

The Kennel Club does not have a restriction for breeding that they apply to registrations. The endorsement you would be lifting is for the registering of progeny. 

Karen

you have my every sympathy,i would be going round the bend if that was one of ours which im sure you probobly are.I would hang five and see if the kennel club are going to back you on this,she has broken the contract and i would try to get the kennel club to back you in never removing the endorsements due to the fact the her breeding practices are unethical.

If at the end of the day you do not get any joy from the KC then i would publicly name and shame her on every forum that she uses

might be worth talking to ann at justice for dogs to see how you stand with the contract

Karen,

Sorry to hear about your troubles and this is a bad situation as you cannot control what this breeder does with your dog.  At best, it seems likely that this current litter will be unregisterable, and that in and of itself should be a slap in the face to the owner.  As to whether or not you can withold full registration perpetually, I'm afraid you'll have to consult a lawyer in your area, as contract law is notoriously slippery.  I hope that you can succeed in finding the owner in breach of contract, but I'm not sure where that will get you... that is, can you get the dog back?

Yvette

ZAC

And your point is???

This is the last time i will respond to your posts .I take it your not a breeder as you have to keep looking things up that all other breeders know already???

Whoever you are, you must not show or breed as the points you are making are pointless. We all know there is not a restriction for breeding, but it is for registering, but as breeders what point would there be in mating a bitch and not registering the litter?? Whaterver we keep for ourselves would be no use to us for breeding or showing, when breeders use the term BREEDING RESTRICTIONS we know exactly what is meant. As i have already stated you carnt stop an owner from physically mating the bitch, AT ANY AGE but you can stop them from registering litters with the KC. That is probably the whole point of them buying a KC reg bitch,  so that they can breed and register litters with the KC, other wise they would go to a breeder that has an unregistered litter and probably not pay as much,  and not resister their litters. In fact i think the KC will register a litter from a bitch from 12 months old.

The most important thing here is that a so called breeder / vet nurse that is a moderator on another GSD forum that gives advice on breeding has mated a 16 month old bitch and at the time of mating did not even have the result of the bitches hips back from the BVA. thats what you should be focusing on.

karen ZENTRUM GERMAN SHEPHERDS

Karen.

Firstly, please dont make sweeping assumptions about me. They were wrong.

 My point is that no where on your puppy sales contract does it say the purchaser is agreeing not to mate the bitch before a certain age.

It says the puppy was sold as a pet/companion and not as a brood bitch. But that is also incorrect because you knew, at the time of sale the purchaser planned to take a litter from her at some time.

You say "When breeders use the term BREEDING RESTRICTIONS we know exactly what is meant" . That doesn't mean that a novice person will understand.

The whole point of a contract is so that the other person doesn't have to guess what you mean. It should all be written down in language that can't be confused. And, of course, it would help if the contract didn't confuse the issue by referring to KC breeding restrictions when really, they are KC registration restrictions.

Dispite your rude remarks I'll wish you good luck with the Kennel Club, and I will be ignoring the PM I received saying you didnt really want this topic to be about sharing your experience of selling a puppy with a contract .  You wanted to bad mouth a vets nurse, making quite sure that everyone knew who she was without you having the courage to name her.

 In answer to the question,  yes we have used a contract.

A clip taken from KC site

What should I do if the person(s) placing the endorsement will not remove it?

Problems can arise when the new owner makes a request to the person(s) who placed the endorsement for this to be done, only to be told that they have no intention of doing so – this is when the Kennel Club tends to become involved. This is also an area where disputes arise particularly with purchasers claiming they were not aware that the newly purchased dog would be subject to certain restrictions.

If an agreement regarding the removal is not reached, the Kennel Club is then prevailed upon to intervene in what sometimes can be a very difficult situation, especially when there are conflicting views on whether the breeder advised the purchaser of an endorsement at the time of sale.

To avoid disputes of this type, the Kennel Club strongly advises that all breeders draw up a private contract when selling puppies. If endorsements are being used, the contract should mention why these have been placed and under what conditions they would be removed (if at all). This contract must be signed and dated by both purchaser and vendor, showing that both have agreed to these terms. If the breeder chooses not to draw up a full contract, there must still be a document stating which endorsements have been placed, signed by both purchaser and vendor.

QUOTE FROM ZAC

I will be ignoring the PM I received saying you didnt really want this topic to be about sharing your experience of selling a puppy with a contract .  You wanted to bad mouth a vets nurse, making quite sure that everyone knew who she was without you having the courage to name her.

 PUT IT ON HERE THEN AND LET EVERYONE SEE IT WITH TIME, DATE, CONTENTS  ETC 

YOU LYING COWARD

Karen. I thought you had stopped responding to my posts?

I promise you, I am not lying about the PM. Here's the start of it with names removed for obvious reasons.

Feel free to argue over how genuine you think it is